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大统华欺凌员工外十三篇:送达起诉文件,兼谈和中国送达制度的对比感想

刚按照法院的提示,及sec.8.01 (1) O. Reg. 258/98: RULES OF THE SMALL CLAIMS COURT 要求,将我起诉大统华的起诉状及证据材料送达大统华。送达的方法是,放在大统华Promenade分店行政部主管(就是我举报harass的那个行政)的工位上,并且告诉ta,这是我起诉大统华的文件,走了。按照法律规定,不需要ta签收,也不需要ta回话。美中不足的是,家里没有大信封,也舍不得去买个新的,所以用了大统华当初给我寄开除信的信封,有点过于抠门了。哈哈。大统华的地址,是公开信息,不涉及隐私问题,这里说一下,避免吃瓜群众会错意。

出分店,在门口看到其他部门同事小休抽烟(不是摸鱼,每个人一天有15分钟带薪小休)。
我开玩笑:你摸鱼,我要举报你,哈哈!同事哈哈大笑,说,你今天不上班。
我回答,你装,全大多地区大统华都知道我被开除了。你这个老油条,不确定我是不是在意,故意装不知道,你情商太高了。同事哈哈大笑。
大统华的底层员工,善良,真的特别善良!
这里主要想谈谈和中国送达制度对比的一些感想:
一、安省法院对于小额诉讼的规定(因为我的就是小额诉讼,也就是诉讼请求不超过35000加币,以前好像是25000加币,估计跟着通货膨胀,水涨船高),因为我是自己起诉的,没有律师,所以只谈自己起诉的情况
1、送达的相关规定
上面提到的sec.8.01 (1)是这样说的:
8.01 (1) A plaintiff’s claim or defendant’s claim (Form 7A or 10A) shall be served personally as provided in rule 8.02 or by an alternative to personal service as provided in rule 8.03. O. Reg. 258/98, r. 8.01 (1).
8.02又是这样规定的:
8.02 If a document is to be served personally, service shall be made,
Individual
(a) on an individual, other than a person under disability, by leaving a copy of the document with him or her;
Municipality
(b) on a municipal corporation, by leaving a copy of the document with the chair, mayor, warden or reeve of the municipality, with the clerk or deputy clerk of the municipality or with a lawyer for the municipality;
Corporation
(c) on any other corporation, by leaving a copy of the document with,
(i) an officer, a director or another person authorized to act on behalf of the corporation, or
(ii) a person at any place of business of the corporation who appears to be in control or management of the place of business;
Board or Commission
(d) on a board or commission, by leaving a copy of the document with a member or officer of the board or commission;
Person Outside Ontario Carrying on Business in Ontario
(e) on a person outside Ontario who carries on business in Ontario, by leaving a copy of the document with anyone carrying on business in Ontario for the person;
Crown in Right of Canada
(f) on Her Majesty the Queen in right of Canada, in accordance with subsection 23 (2) of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act (Canada);
Crown in Right of Ontario
(g) on Her Majesty the Queen in right of Ontario, in accordance with section 15 of the Crown Liability and Proceedings Act, 2019;
Attorney General
(g.1) on the Attorney General of Ontario, by leaving a copy of the document with an employee of the Crown at the Crown Law Office (Civil Law) of the Ministry of the Attorney General;
Absentee
(h) on an absentee, by leaving a copy of the document with the absentee’s committee, if one has been appointed or, if not, with the Public Guardian and Trustee;
Minor
(i) on a minor, by leaving a copy of the document with the minor and, if the minor resides with a parent or other person having his or her care or lawful custody, by leaving another copy of the document with the parent or other person;
Mentally Incapable Person
(j) on a mentally incapable person,
(i) if there is a guardian or an attorney acting under a validated power of attorney for personal care with authority to act in the proceeding, by leaving a copy of the document with the guardian or attorney,
(ii) if there is no guardian or attorney acting under a validated power of attorney for personal care with authority to act in the proceeding but there is an attorney under a power of attorney with authority to act in the proceeding, by leaving a copy of the document with the attorney and leaving an additional copy with the person,
(iii) if there is neither a guardian nor an attorney with authority to act in the proceeding, by leaving a copy of the document bearing the person’s name and address with the Public Guardian and Trustee and leaving an additional copy with the person;
Partnership
(k) on a partnership, by leaving a copy of the document with,
(i) any one or more of the partners, or
(ii) a person at the principal place of business of the partnership who appears to be in control or management of the place of business; and
Sole Proprietorship
(l) on a sole proprietorship, by leaving a copy of the document with,
(i) the sole proprietor, or
(ii) a person at the principal place of business of the sole proprietorship who appears to be in control or management of the place of business. O. Reg. 258/98, r. 8.02; O. Reg. 56/12, s. 1; O. Reg. 230/13, s. 8; O. Reg. 108/21, s. 7.
一句话,法院不管送达的事情,原告你自己负责。这一规定,非常科学,个人也深表赞同。后面再说。
具体在我的案件来说,大统华是公司,适用的是
Corporation
(c) on any other corporation, by leaving a copy of the document with,
(i) an officer, a director or another person authorized to act on behalf of the corporation, or
(ii) a person at any place of business of the corporation who appears to be in control or management of the place of business;
所以,我放在Pr分店行政的工位上就行了,不但不需要签收,甚至都不需要告诉ta。我是怕给服务台的同事添麻烦,要不然,直接扔分店服务台都行,只要记一下当班同事的电话。
2、如何证明送达了
很简单,规定如下:
Proof of Service
8.09.
Affidavit
(2) Service of a document may be proved by an affidavit of service (Form 8A) of the person who served it. O. Reg. 521/22, s. 5.
然后这个文件,affidavit of service (Form 8A),在网上向法院提交即可。也就是说,你自己承诺,你依法送达了就是。如果说谎,自己承担责任,法院也不管。
二、中国民事诉讼法(2023年修正)第七章第二节、最高法院民诉法司法解释第五部分规定了送达
1、谁负责送达
没有直接、直白的规定。但是司法解释第131条规定,人民法院直接送达诉讼文书的,可以通知当事人到人民法院领取。当事人到达人民法院,拒绝签署送达回证的,视为送达。审判人员、书记员应当在送达回证上注明送达情况并签名。人民法院可以在当事人住所地以外向当事人直接送达诉讼文书。当事人拒绝签署送达回证的,采用拍照、录像等方式记录送达过程即视为送达。审判人员、书记员应当在送达回证上注明送达情况并签名。
因此,法院负责送达,实际上也的确是法院在负责送达。
2、带来的问题
(1)法院要专门建一个负责送达的团队,专门负责送达事宜。纳税人出钱。
(2)被告很容易通过送达拖程序。很简单,法院的电话不接,快递不签收。虽然上面规定了拍照、录像等方式记录,但是实际上,法官没有那个精力去上门,也怕承担责任,基本上不采取那种方式。何况,被告在东北,原告在新疆起诉的事情常有,新疆的法官跑东北现场送达,没法操作。
(3)法院、法官为了免责,办法就是公告送达(司法解释138条)。让原告出钱,在媒体上公告。钱是小事情,按照民诉法95条的规定,30天。加上法官起草上报公告的程序,原告交钱,怎么也得40天。注意,公告是在法官通过电话、快递联系不上的情况下才用的,一套程序下来,至少两个月。
三、延伸的问题,起诉
1、安省起诉,被告的名字、地址啥的,都是原告自己负责去查(具体的办法,这里不说,我买了一本书,里面谈到可以通过驾驶执照、公司登记信息去查等),把被告名字写错了,法院也不管。法院就按照你写错的判,执行不了,是你自己的事情。所以,也不需要提交被告的身份证号码、主体资格证明文件(非个人的情况下)。
原告写好起诉书,在线提交,付一百多加币。然后法院的clerk形式审查,没问题,给你留的邮箱发个Email,通知你自己去送达。审查时间,规定是五个工作日。实际上,我头一天网上提交,因为是下班时间,算是第二天提交,第二天一大早就通知我,受理。
2、在中国起诉。如果被告是个人,起诉书需要身份证号码,因为同名同姓的人太多了。不知道身份证,就需要向法院申请调查令,到公安局查。但前提是,法院要给你开调查令,然后你知道对方大概在哪个地区,反正公安部肯定是不会接待你的,你至少得知道被告户籍所在地市的公安局。这个难度,自己脑补吧!
如果是公司,需要统一信用代码,还要附上主体证明文件。至少需要企查查、天眼查下载个信用报告,一并提交。为啥这么规定,怕虚假诉讼,怕把被告的名字写错。真的是操碎了心。
有吃瓜群众又会问了,加拿大就算让原告自己承担写错的风险,难道不怕虚假诉讼吗?有啥怕的,查出虚假诉讼,滥用司法资源,吃官司,坐牢,生黑名单嘛!只要做了一回,查出来,让你终身背负,看你敢不敢以身试法!
四、想法
1、加拿大为啥这么规定:让法官心无旁骛,只需要依法审判
法官不用管任何事情,连形式审查都是clerk负责。法官只需要依法审案,把判决书写好,把自己判决的法律依据、事实依据写好,以自己对宪法、对法律的遵从来获取当事人、社会公众对于自己尊重。
因为,法官既不掌握钱、也不掌握枪,更不掌握宣传机器,能让人信服的,就是ta对宪法、法律的信仰,按照宪法、法律讲道理,以理服人。
正如伟大的汉密尔顿所言:“司法部门的任务性质决定该部对宪法授与的政治权力危害最寡,因其具备的干扰与为害能力最小。行政部门不仅具有荣誉、地位的分配权,而且执掌社会的武力。立法机关不仅掌握财权,且制定公民权利义务的准则。与此相反,司法部门既无军权、又无财权,不能支配社会的力量与财富,不能采取任何主动的行动。故可正确断言:司法部门既无强制、又无意志,而只有判断;而且为实施其判断亦需借助于行政部门的力量。”(商务版,《联邦党人文集》第78篇)
2、苦逼的中国法官:啥都让干,啥都干,就是不让依法审判
学领导思想、治国理政、红红脸出出汗都不说了,还要看当事人判决书被告名字写错没有,要负责送达文件给被告,被告不接,要公告送达;要按照要求报送典型案例;要参加一年一度的法院系统论文比赛(全国法院系统学术讨论文,迄今已经三十届),要申报法院系统研究课题招标(随便查一下,至少有年度司法研究重大课题、年度应用法学研究课题、年度司法案例研究课题,院领导肯定是排名第一的课题组组长,但是,大家知道,领导只就研究做指示,不干活的)。一句话,法官很忙,很累,所以没时间搞对象,没时间看孩子,甚至没时间过夫妻生活。有些法官,还把自己感动哭了。感人不!
但是,啥都干,就是没时间、也不让依法审判。所以,法官啊,不好意思,大檐帽,两头翘,吃完原告吃被告的骂名,你背定了!用我的话来说,恶劣的空气,是大家共同造成的。
别推卸责任,啥都怪制度。起码没人拿枪逼着你违法审判。

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