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  • 相约北美 / 定居入籍 / 请大家帮我分析: 实话说，我来加拿大的本来目的，就是奔美国。现在我在加有一个年薪5万的工作，且，短期内不会失去这个工作。同时，我拿到美国的一个offer，如果办下H1, (B1/B2,10年visa已有)你们说我是去还是不去？是等入籍以后再去？ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130932@0)
    • 入籍以后再去 -bloor(不老); 2001-7-13 (#130935@0)
      • 我心里也这么想，可是又觉得如果现在去，可以早在美国立足，收入自然也比这边好。再说有H1也不一定就会失去这里的身份。困惑！ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130940@0)
        • 你今天能拿到美国的OFFER，以后一定也能。入籍后再去。 -bbq(烧烤酱); 2001-7-13 (#131033@0)
        • Can you image once you lost this job, you must find another one within two weeks. Otherwise, you have to leave. If you apply green card, all will stop. You lost everything. -guest:yang; 2001-7-13 (#131073@0)
    • 要是比这边收入多的话，为什么不去呢？你说你现在的工作稳定，只是相对的，暂时的，谁能保证以后呢。在北美工作要求稳定是不可能的。 -pandora(Sarah); 2001-7-13 (#130937@0)
      • i wouldn't suggest him do that. once u r there, u will be very painful waiting for your US green card. u won't understand the feeling unless u have been there. -speed(如风); 2001-7-13 (#130945@0)
        • Speed你好！有绿卡和H1有什么区别？比如说，不好意思我土得不行。 -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130960@0)
          • So easy question. U do not need to bother Speed. Let me try. H1 is something like working permit in Canada, and Green Card in the states is something like your Landed Paper in Canada. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-13 (#130975@0)
            • 我是说，在具体问题上，比如说生活各方面，H1但是没绿卡，会有什么不方便之处么？ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130977@0)
              • H1 is just a working visa. It is the same as B1 visitor's visa and F1 student visa except you can work, not prove of your residence. It will expire but residence wouldn't. -wonton_soup(Wonton Soup); 2001-7-13 (#130992@0)
                • 这个我也知道。谢谢。我是说，比如没绿卡，只有h-1身份，在美工作期间，有什么别人可以做可是我做不了的事情？比如买房子什么的，或着平时生活有什么不一样？我都觉得我自己罗嗦了，但是还想问，谢了大家了。 -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#131000@0)
                  • With H1, as soon as you lose your job and cannot find a new one in a certain period, you have to leave the country. And every time you change a job, you have to re-apply H1. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-13 (#131014@0)
                  • If you lost your job, your stay in that country will be illegal unless you can secure yourself another visa, not to mention your house in that country. Besides that, Nothing would be different. -wonton_soup(Wonton Soup); 2001-7-13 {279} (#131024@0)
                    If you change your job. your H1 has to be renew.

                    You can apply for US green card based on your H1 visa but you have to stay in that particular company long enough and that company is willing to sponsor you.

                    So can you guarantee nothing will happen within the next 5 years?
                  • 我 就 是 H1 STATUS。 浏 揽 这 个 坛 子 以 很 久 了。 你 想 来 美 做 H1， 而 我 却 时 时 惦 记 着 移 民 加 拿 大 。 说 实 话 ，我 觉 得 H1 就 象 某 些 人 说 -guest:; 2001-7-14 {940} (#131528@0)
                    的 ： 整 个 一 契 约 高 科 技 奴隶 ， 累 的 很 。 我 每 天 8： 00AM 左 右到

                    公 司 上 班 ， 7： 30PM左 右到 家 ， 几 乎 卖 给 了 公 司 。 有 几 个 中 国
                    人 临 居 ， 也 是 H1，似 乎 比 我 还 忙， 经 常 8， 9点 回家 。这 么 忙 ， 也 许 和 地 方 有 关 ， 我 在 德 州 ， 没 来 德 州 前 ， 老 听 人 说 德 州 佬 热 情 ： 当 你 离 门 很 远 时 ， 如 果 一 德 州 佬 恰 好 也 进 出 此 门， 他 会 为 你 HOLD住 老 半 天 。 可 我 来 了 以 后 发 现 满 不 是 那 么 回 事 ， 德 州 这 里 互 相 猜 忌 非 常 厉 害。 德 州 的 公 司 加 班 加 点 实 在 平 常 。 据 一 些 在 东 北 部 的 朋 友 说 ， BOSTON 一 带 工 作 就 轻 松 的 多 。

                    扯 远 了 ， 现 回 答 你 的 问 题： 我 觉 得 H1在 美国生 活 跟 别 人 没 社 么 实 质 上 的 区 别 ， 房 子 你 可 以 买 ， 卖 房 子 的 人 和 贷 款 的 人 只 关 心 你 的 CREDIT 历 史 ， 你 是 否 有 能 力 去 支 付 具 大 的 按 揭 。 他 们 才 不 会 去 管 你 是 佘 么 身 份 。

                    待 续 ， 还 有 很 多 话 ， 有 机 会 再 说 。
      • 我想不清楚的就是不仅仅看收入，如果从长远考虑，我这样做是不是有点冒险？那边我可是什么保障都没了。另外，目前美国经济到底怎么样？是不是比加拿大还糟糕？ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130951@0)
        • 你问SPEED把，他在美国呆了好长时间，应该清楚，没准应该听他的，等你拿到身份？反正以后机会也会有的 -pandora(Sarah); 2001-7-13 (#130958@0)
        • economy is slow, i got laidoff, since i am canadian citizen, so i dont worry like a h1 holder, in fact i am considering moving back to canada shortly, -guest:; 2001-7-13 (#131380@0)
    • up -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130973@0)
    • 我和你一样，我已经打听了好久了，现在我只能在这里继续工作到拿到身份再说了 -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#130979@0)
      • 能告诉我为什么吗？我现在难受就是难受在从两边想都能想通。 -guest:说不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130983@0)
        • 你会丢身份的，我刚才忘了写，刚又写了一遍，发现你已经回答了 -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#130993@0)
    • If I were you, I will stay until the citienship. I landed 3 years ago because I could not secure a H1 in US. After 3 years, some of my classmates who are still on H1in US start to regret... -wonton_soup(Wonton Soup); 2001-7-13 (#130980@0)
    • PS: You will lose your LP. -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#130988@0)
      • 啊？返加证不行么？ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#130994@0)
        • No return PR unless U work for a Canada company in oversea. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-13 (#131009@0)
          • Bingle -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#131016@0)
            • 青虫啃完樱桃了? -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-13 (#131020@0)
              • 正在啃，但要吃完了，还想去采点 -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#131108@0)
                • 好吃死了！！ -elsa(青虫); 2001-7-13 (#131116@0)
          • 谢啦谢啦，小林妹妹=) -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#131017@0)
            • U R welcome! -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-13 (#131021@0)
    • Nobody has a clear clue. Who knows about the future? Many landed immigrants have gone to US, many people who had worked in US have to come to Canada. -rollor(Rollor); 2001-7-13 (#130989@0)
    • 还是入籍以后再去吧, 你会方便太多.再说你加拿大的经验美国一样承认的. 在这儿也是在积累经验. -zjoy(Joy); 2001-7-13 (#131008@0)
      • 是这样吗？我怎么有美国朋友说，美国不承认加拿大的呀？糊涂了我。 -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#131026@0)
        • 美国不至于那么自负吧. 或许有的公司这样? 还是觉得有点儿难以置信. -zjoy(Joy); 2001-7-13 (#131062@0)
        • don't forget Nortel, JDS,RIM,CAE,Bombardier, ATI in Canada. -guest:; 2001-7-13 (#131359@0)
    • If you are older than 30, and have kids,wirking in software field, here is better. -guest:; 2001-7-13 (#131371@0)
    • go US, and leave your position to ME. -guest:guest; 2001-7-13 (#131392@0)
    • I think it depends on what you are looking for. What are you looking for short term (1-3 years) and long term (over 6 years). -ztech(ztech); 2001-7-13 {685} (#131416@0)
      Do you have a family? kids? how many? how old are they?

      Okay, assuming you're single, one way or another ;). Then ask a question: What can you do, or gain, or make there south of the border, that you can't here in Canada. If you don't know or know nothing that you can't, then stay. You can find a 6 figure full-time here too, ask the hosts. ;)

      If there's any that you know, then make a risk evaluation and judgement call. Especially if you're only 20-ish, why not. There're much better places in the US. All depends on your view of the trade offs.

      If you don't mind, tell me the city you're heading, I might tell if it's better than toronto or not for living... ;)
      • 我32，没孩子。目的地是SanJose，未来几年的目标就是去美国立足，美国身份是以后的事情，且有别的途径我可以拿绿卡，就是要等几年。我考虑这个问题的根本原因就是我有没有必要现在就去美国发展，一定会丢加的身份吗？ -guest:想不清楚; 2001-7-13 (#131424@0)
        • The valley! Nice place. The ups and downs that I know, keep reading -ztech(ztech); 2001-7-14 {1180} (#131507@0)
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Downs:

          - High real estate price, rental price.
          Can be offset if you'll get a 6 month relocation package
          or if you'll travel a lot as a single.

          - Worse chinese food.
          Still much better than many other places. The good ones I
          know are in Mt. View and the city where Apple's headquarter
          is, forgot the spelling... :(

          - Higher Competition, many worse than Nortel
          Many high tech companies to choose once bounce back

          Ups:

          - Nice weather, gives you higher energy, good mood.
          - Close to San Fran, one of the best cities in US, in many's opinion.
          - Great state to be in.
          - Less good quality of kid's education that I heard.
          - More career opportunities.

          Bottom-line:

          - I'll go if I'm single if they you'll make at least 70% percent higher income in numbers (not dollars). Or if it's a career opptunity, like moving for a higher position, or well-known corp like Sun Micro. ;)

          Why US is such a big deal for you? I'm not questioning your conclustion, everyone has his own reasons, what's yours? Just curious.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 对不起, 打字太慢, 跟楼下时名看见你的post. 比较倾向你去, 但风险不小, 最后决定你自己做, 别人意见只是参考 -skybook(Skybook); 2001-7-14 {1024} (#131518@0)
          Here are a few points:

          1. You need to believe whereever you choose to live is the best place for you. If you don't think so, leave that place.

          2. Always go to the place you think is the best. If you really think US is the best for you, go for it. 7 years ago I thought US was best for me, so I went to US. You will have better judgement of living place when you have comparasion.

          3. Don't listen to other people's arguing. Although they are telling their true feeling, they are not you. You are the only person can make decision for you.

          4. Since you are going to San Jose, the case is a little easier. Since you don't care 美国身份, the best case for you is your employer will do H1B for you so you can work in US up to 6 years, at the same time you hire a lawyer to do GC. The second best case is that you will be laid off within 6 months (very possible in San Jose) so you can be back to Canada safely. Anything else will put you in big trouble. Evaluate yourself to see whether worth the risk.
    • 别忘了，你去了美国，即便混得很好，过了几年，你能拿到的还只是绿卡而已，相当于加拿大的lp，你还是中国护照，你还是去不了出了美国以外的任何地方。 -yellow(yellow); 2001-7-13 (#131439@0)
    • 先问几个问题, 然后告诉你我的意见. -skybook(Skybook); 2001-7-14 {325} (#131472@0)
      1. 在加拿大几年, 还有多九可以拿公民?
      2. 有无孩子?
      3. 是否要办老人出国?
      4. 时间和钱哪个对你更重要?
      5. 夏天晚上是否喜欢出去散步?
      6, 是否愿意开车单程一小时以上去上班? (如果孩子不上学这点可以不计)

      同等生活水平多伦多5万加元在旧金山大约要8万美元. 你可以去 homefair.com 用 salary calcurator 算算你要去地方的同等工资是多少.
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