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  • 相约北美 / 移民留学 / 实话实说: VIVIANWANG纤云MM胆子可真大, -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 {259} (#137863@0)
    什么都不会就来了,硬要闯入IT做
    NETWORKING ENGINEEER, 恐怕你连这是做什么的都分不出把.
    正所谓:" 越是无知越胆大!, 人有多大胆,地有多大产呀".
    可惜你来晚了,搁在去年你没准真蒙上个活儿干, 今年那...HIHI别想拉...
    趁早找个LABOUR活干吧,别在这耽误大家和自己的时间了.
    • come on, man. don't u ever have a hard time? if somebody else tells u the same words, how do u feel? -mrviceroy(杀人者Daniel是也); 2001-7-19 (#137870@0)
      • I told the truth. If I were her i will not thing I can find a job at present. I will try to find a labour job and study a degree here. -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 (#137874@0)
        • Yes, market was spoiled by those people. I have 6 yrs experience of portocol,C/C++/Unix, and not found job. I also need support my whole family. It's too unfair if you she could find job. -guest:; 2001-7-19 {42} (#137899@0)
          She should assist her husband hunting job.
          • your english is soo poor! that is the reason you can not find a job!!! -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 (#137905@0)
          • 我倒是觉得纤云MM的开朗性格在找工时很有优势.很多工作并非要求有很强的技术,反而是communication(不仅是英语口语)更重要. -jwu(g2w); 2001-7-19 (#137931@0)
            • It depends on company. English is most important in IS department while technic is first in engineering department. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#137938@0)
          • 如果她能比你更快底适应加拿大，更快的找到工作，这只能说明她比你强，没有什么公平不公平的，适者生存。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-19 (#138050@0)
            • What is 适者生存? like last year's Java cheater. Chinese reputation become worse and worse. Finally, newcomers could find jobs and you guys couldn't chang job. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#138129@0)
              • 不要总是抱怨别人，why你是cheater的牺牲品而很多找到工作的人就不是牺牲品？关键在自己而不是别人，也许资本主义的市场经济就是这样与有中国特色的社会主义不同。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-19 (#138178@0)
                • Can those cheater get job at Huawei/ZhongXing in China? -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#138195@0)
                  • 如果你是从那来的，你应该清楚，如果不是，还是别争了。华为中兴大把混混，只要听话就ok。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-19 (#138250@0)
                    • 华为的混混是不少,但我想如果想社招进华为做研发的话,就不是那么好进的了. -tomatoo(tomato); 2001-7-19 (#138256@0)
                      • 哈，你也太高抬华为了 -000(老九); 2001-7-19 (#138273@0)
                    • 华为做研发的混混比较少,even though 混混 are much strong than so call "IT people" in Toronto because they are all EE/CS. Morever,Product level are in much different. -guest:HW; 2001-7-20 (#138675@0)
            • What is 适者生存? like last year's Java cheater. Chinese reputation become worse and worse. Finally, newcomers could find jobs and you guys couldn't chang job. we are victim of last year cheater. -guest:new-immi; 2001-7-19 (#138130@0)
            • What is 适者生存? like last year's Java cheater. Chinese reputation become worse and worse. Finally, newcomers could find jobs and you guys couldn't chang job. we are victims of last year cheater. -guest:new-YIming; 2001-7-19 (#138133@0)
          • 如果你诚实,说明你太笨了,这么多经验还找不着工作; 如果你说慌,说明你比较笨, 蒙了这么多回还没蒙过去. -z14288(憋不住); 2001-7-19 (#138139@0)
            • The probem is hi-tech company always layoff people, like 北电. many classmates in 北电 haven't found, let alon me. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#138156@0)
            • 你大概很聪敏或很会 蒙人吧. 很多很有经验的人都很久没找到工的. -jesus(jesus); 2001-7-20 (#139074@0)
      • 有些有眼无手的主儿，一方面丢国人的脸，另一方面确实是坏汤的老鼠屎，让国人信誉受损。谁大喊适者生存？那有五个来钱谋生的道：坑蒙拐骗偷，你干那样？ -guest:; 2001-7-21 {278} (#139669@0)
        给自已加压力争上游决对是新移民的移民心态，否则在国内安稳日子不过，来此干吗。不过我认为有眼无手以及眼高手低的主儿，一方面丢国人的脸，另一方面确实是坏汤的老鼠屎，让所有有实力的国人信誉受损。谁大喊适者生存？还有五个来钱谋生的道：坑蒙拐骗偷，你干那样？对了，你已五居其三了：坑蒙骗。
        • 在法律允许的范围内，在不影响别人的原则下，干哪样都行。适者生存，不止是适用于动物世界，同样适用于人类。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-22 (#141161@0)
    • don't scold her. She is EE background and better than those Admin guys from trainning school. could find job such as Helpdesk,Admin or Web if her spoken english is good. Too much gabage sneak IS field last two years. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#137877@0)
      • As per previous messages, she didn't know what is helpdesk, what is B2B,...etc, I am just wondering what she do knows? Today's job market is not the one which follow the girl first priciple. -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 (#137878@0)
        • Friend, just take good care of yourself, if you don't want to help her. -bloor(不老); 2001-7-19 (#137880@0)
          • Nobody like to listen to the truth. -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 (#137881@0)
            • People need encourage when the true is harsh, just like a lot of people had done to Mr. Pan recently. -dennis2(Dennis); 2001-7-19 (#137927@0)
        • This is a piece of cake. Those are much easier to pick up than Theory of Matrix and Stochastic Process. On other hand, Girls still much easier than boys. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#137882@0)
        • I cannot agree with you more -mm1(helen); 2001-7-19 (#137919@0)
    • 应该允许任何人学习和尝试. -zjoy(Joy); 2001-7-19 (#137890@0)
    • 怎么这么说话？！ -xiaopig(小猪格格); 2001-7-19 (#137892@0)
    • you know why those guys like to help her with such simple questions? coz she's a PPMM, if you're also a PPMM, you'll feel enough patience and enthusiam here. :-P -guest:uglygirl; 2001-7-19 (#137896@0)
      • 那个要把支票换现金的也是PPMM? -000(老九); 2001-7-19 (#137900@0)
        • If a guy asks such questions, you'll see the response. hehe -guest:uglygirl; 2001-7-19 (#137904@0)
      • 你到提醒我了，我想如果改名叫小花猫之类的，再说我是个PPMM，撒撒娇，每次回帖的人可能多多了。呵呵 -lazycat(lazycat); 2001-7-20 (#138284@0)
        • 哈哈，小花猫，我喜欢！赶紧改名吧，你要是叫小花猫，每贴我都回你 -wander2001(wander); 2001-7-20 (#138287@0)
        • 呵呵,不管你是什么名字,只要我能帮忙的,我都会回你的贴的.不用改名了,不好听,haha -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-20 (#138796@0)
    • I admire her courage. But I think she can find many answers from book by herself. -guest:; 2001-7-19 (#137954@0)
    • 忠告：不要小看任何人！因为你没有资格小看别人。 -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-19 (#138007@0)
    • Everyone has their own plan,if you have time,dealling with your problem first! -jimmyzhen(Jimmy); 2001-7-19 (#138015@0)
    • 技术和英语固然重要，其实更重要的是应聘者的心态，性格 -000(老九); 2001-7-19 {180} (#138019@0)
      假如我来interview你，我不会希望将来我的同事或者下属是一个不好相处的人，如果你可以在interview的时候很自如地跟我聊天说笑，当朋友一样地谈你自己的长处短处，你会有很大的机会得到这个职位
      • good point, 技术 和英语是可以学的， 可性格和习惯是很难改变的， 大公司往往都愿意从学校里招学生来培养。 -uid(miracle); 2001-7-19 (#138044@0)
        • hi, 不要误导群众啊。 大公司是愿意招新毕业生，那叫freshout， 但也得fresh 呀，人家要的就是年轻有可塑性，如果年纪一大把，想愣充“fresh" 也没人拿你当”freshout", 还是多在语言和技术上下点功夫吧 -wander2001(wander); 2001-7-19 (#138101@0)
      • 别打岔！技术是成功之本！ -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-19 (#138194@0)
        • 你这是唯技术论，走白专道路的典型 :) -000(老九); 2001-7-19 (#138201@0)
          • 我是怕你误导人家！本来女生作技术已经被人戴有色眼镜看了，你还偏这么说？而且资本主义不比社会主义大锅饭，工作Handle不了，英文再好也没用，除非公司存心找花瓶，否则早晚走人。 -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-19 {110} (#138259@0)
            技术过的去，此处不留人，自有留人处。看看Oasis，Egg，就是实例！

            不要为了讨好女孩，就乱讲话 ：-( , hahaha :-)
            • 没有技术当然不行，但现在对大部分新移民来说，不是技术的问题 -000(老九); 2001-7-19 (#138276@0)
              • 照老九的说法，大部门新移民找不到工作是不够PP 的问题，对吧？ -wander2001(wander); 2001-7-20 (#138285@0)
            • 嘿嘿，老九讨好了半天，纤云MM知道老九是谁呀。：P -guest:; 2001-7-20 (#138279@0)
              • 本来就没讨好，非要给我加个罪名// 我的一贯观点，很多新移民找不到工作主要不是技术问题 -000(老九); 2001-7-20 (#138283@0)
              • 老九没有讨好谁,各人有各人的观点,而且本来对新移民就应该多指点一下,不是么?每个人都是从新移民过来的吧 -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-20 (#138795@0)
                • 只是同我老乡开个玩笑，别介意 ：-) 我有不少找工的经验教训，其中失败经验具多，需要帮助的话，别客气 ：-) -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-21 (#139580@0)
              • 现在她知道了吧？! -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-21 (#139566@0)
            • 我的感觉小公司主要看技术，他没有时间培养你，来了就是干活和解决问题，所以，personality固然重要，但如果搞技术，又不幸进了小公司，技术和英语更重要，没进过大公司，不知如何？ -firefox99(firefox99); 2001-7-20 {64} (#138290@0)
              但如果纤云妹妹有决心，又喜欢这一行，不妨试试，只是时间问题而已。
              • 9494,喜欢的话，就去试试，没什么大不了的。 -sherryi(sherry); 2001-7-20 (#138300@0)
              • 真正的大公司有时候要求更高。有些大公司业务量大，分工细致，刚去的人往往技术过硬才撑得过去，因为要多花时间在熟悉业务上。 -bbq(烧烤酱); 2001-7-20 (#138644@0)
                • you could see my thought? hehe.. yeah, you said what I want to say. -qiuqiu(秋秋); 2001-7-20 (#138655@0)
                  • 对啦！小心哦。 -bbq(烧烤酱); 2001-7-29 (#149080@0)
    • 闯入IT怎么了？！不也是人干的活吗？！有什么了不起！ -sherryi(sherry); 2001-7-19 (#138165@0)
      • IT covers too much. Usually you refer to IS. please try 闯入 hardware design ?definely impossible even though it her major. Too much gabag in IS field. -guest:guest; 2001-7-19 (#138187@0)
        • 在你的眼里什么是garbage？！ -ttl(羊肉泡馍); 2001-7-19 (#138198@0)
        • how much? what r they doing? maybe i'm just doing that. hope u r not. -sherryi(sherry); 2001-7-19 (#138247@0)
    • 谋事在人，成事在天！ -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-19 (#138192@0)
      • 人有多大胆，地有多大产 -000(老九); 2001-7-19 (#138206@0)
        • 我看你是百分百唯心主义+误导+曲解！！！ ~!@#$%^&*()_+ -gonewithewind(Scarlett); 2001-7-19 (#138265@0)
        • 撑死胆大的，气死胆小的。 -bbq(烧烤酱); 2001-7-20 (#138646@0)
    • 实话实说：You are really narrow-minded! -nokidding(nokidding); 2001-7-20 {122} (#138480@0)
      Wang纤云，I know many guys whoes major isnot IT did great jobs in IT field. Do what you like to do! Don't be intimidated!
      • agree! I know many guys whoes major isnot IT did great jobs in IT field too. -sherryi(sherry); 2001-7-20 (#138507@0)
        • Major is not important. The key point is if she has good technology and fluent English. -guest:Canada needs reality; 2001-7-20 (#138645@0)
        • Everybody with techniacal baground can do IS. As to HW, Chip etc. no way. -guest:; 2001-7-20 (#138671@0)
          • I am seriously puzzled by your acronyms. What's IS? Usually I take it as Information Security. -nokidding(nokidding); 2001-7-21 {308} (#139662@0)
            What ever IS is, you mean you can do IS with no difficulty? Please leave a little respect for guys who do IS. Thanks God, I don't know what IS you refer to.What you mean HW? Hardware? No way? Then who is doing it? Intel and Motorala are aliens' companies?Maybe HW is too hard for you, why not change to IS?
            • Old IT covers Telecom,system&control,computer(HW,SW,application),electronics. IS, Information system, usually refers to Database related something. every company has this department. -guest:; 2001-7-21 {476} (#140193@0)
              It's said that latest definition of IT is equivalant to IS and it's service. From my point of view, IS should cover some of Information security. While security SW and HW provider are not in IS, like Certicom.
              I'm hardware designer, also with some part-time experience in IS in China. I was lucky I didn't find Oracle/Pro*C job and still in my original field. Otherwise I will suffer from long term pain because all people who could find jobs are learning so call "IT".
    • 慢慢努力可以做好吧。背景无所谓的。 -flyeve2(keeving); 2001-7-20 (#138662@0)
    • Noone can turn you down unless you lose your confidence. Just keep moving. -ocanada(ocanada); 2001-7-20 (#138666@0)
      • 看了半天, 没有看见女主角出声, 一大群人在瞎操心,正应了那句: 皇帝不急, 太监急, SIGN, 有那份闲心,多看看的方向, 别乱了自己的心态!! -bunny(bunny); 2001-7-20 (#138738@0)
    • 什么什么都不会啊,你真知道我么?你怎么知道我什么都不会呢?或许你比我专业或者经验多一些吧,我不是正在努力学呢. -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-20 (#138768@0)
      • 纤云不着急，找份好工作气死他。 -mrviceroy(杀人者Daniel是也); 2001-7-20 (#138803@0)
        • Job hunting for what? make other angry?? -guest:playboy; 2001-7-20 (#138962@0)
    • 嘿嘿,不管怎样都感谢大家的关心或者提醒,如果我能找到工作那是大家的帮助和我的运气(技术暂且就不提了),如果找不到工作,我也不会怨天尤人,反正尽力了,谋事在人，成事在天,不是么? -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-20 (#138786@0)
      • Support YOU!!! -bloor(不老); 2001-7-20 (#138809@0)
        • 有这种心态就对了,但也要做好打持久战的准备呦. -guest:guest; 2001-7-20 (#138860@0)
    • 刚看帖子的时候还有些生气,不过现在无所谓了,就象别人说的:各看各的造化吧. -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-20 (#138787@0)
      • 不用生气,至少你的这份勇气就值得我学习.没见很多人连来加拿大的勇气都没有吗? -tomatoo(tomato); 2001-7-20 (#138852@0)
        • 勇气也得分是什么勇气。有的人来是扔了国内的窝头，来吃加拿大的馒头，这种勇气就值得赞赏。有的人在国内本来就吃馒头，就没有必要有这种勇气。要是这种人也来的话，整个就一匹夫之勇了。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-20 (#138862@0)
          • 国内的馒头吃久了吃腻了出来尝尝加拿大的馒头有什么不好，也许尝过之后发现不好吃，但总是尝过了 -000(老九); 2001-7-20 (#138868@0)
            • 你说的没错。但是不是我的point。我只是想反驳一下tomatto说的关于勇气的那个话。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-20 (#138878@0)
              • 你举的例子不恰当, 还怪别人. -guest:guest; 2001-7-20 (#138883@0)
                • 我想是你理解能力的问题。跟你交流比较难。我在国内是搞人事工作的，最擅长的就是交流了。发现你好象老听不懂我说什么。我不人认为是我的问题。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-20 (#138889@0)
          • 在国内吃馒头在这吃多纳圈不可以吗? -guest:guest; 2001-7-20 (#138870@0)
            • 如果你不能get我的point就请不要跟我的，贴，我举的例子是说tomato说的勇气的那个事，而不是要说加拿大是否有其他味道的馒头或多那圈的事。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-20 (#138873@0)
              • 你们谁也别争了,我说了勇气值得我学习,并没有要求大家都学习.所以有什么好争的呢?能吃上馒头的人我想到哪都能吃得到馒头.吃不上馒头的到哪都吃不上,这要靠个人的努力.从来都是人去适应环境,没有环境来适应人的 -tomatoo(tomato); 2001-7-20 (#138956@0)
        • 不来加拿大, 就没有勇气吗? -jesus(jesus); 2001-7-20 (#139080@0)
        • 这跟勇气, 胆大根本无关, 这是 ... -jesus(jesus); 2001-7-20 (#139081@0)
      • 勇气可嘉，很好。努力，互相帮助。没有问题。 -flyeve2(keeving); 2001-7-20 (#139411@0)
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