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  • 工作学习 / 援助潘中原 / 一个商业援助方案 -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {1083} (#141612@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Webcam 远程探视潘中原
    方法：
    在他的病房里架一个 webcam，网友远程探视

    运做：
    1．征集赞助电脑（desktop or laptop）,webcam , cable/wireless 上网设备，临时医疗保险保险，以网络/报纸广告作为回报。
    2．架设 real time broadcast 设备
    3．在网站上做链接到“新移民及探亲访问人士临时医疗保险”
    http://torontocnet.hypermart.net/newcomer/medical.html
    4．广告：凡购买xx 公司临时医疗保险保险，xx 公司将把收入的一半用于捐助潘中原
    4.媒体刊登鸣谢赞助厂商名单，购买临时医疗保险人名单

    目的：
    1． 少探视，少打搅病人和家属。
    2． 培养新移民花钱买服务的意识:your get what you pay
    3． 树立公司、媒体形象，扩大知名度，提高美誉度。
    4． 媒体从实物广告入手，接近新的潜在广告客户。
    5． 广告客户以实物投入，测试广告效果。

    What can I do
    1． 捐赠一台 15 color monitor
    2． 免费文案
    3． 商量好实物广告价格，以媒体的名义出去拉赞助（本人有丰富的拉赞助经验，详见本人主页。

    各路传媒如有兴趣，请与本人联络

    Emails: couplechina@yahoo.com, couplechina@canada.com
    MSN messenger (IP phone): coupleonline
    Phone:416-8276786

    Couple Wang, CHO Chief Husband Officer
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    • webcam的主意不好。 -bingle(bingle); 2001-7-23 (#141647@0)
      • 歪? -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {4} (#141655@0)
        why?
        • 如果是我，我不喜欢自己被广播，所以我猜小潘也是一样。 -bingle(bingle); 2001-7-23 (#141661@0)
    • 点子新奇。不实用。医院未必同意；不会有太多人网上去看；INSURENCE公司大概收不到什么钱。 赞成的当然可以试试，人的心态和行为没有定势。 -guest:新青年; 2001-7-23 (#141659@0)
    • 不好不好, 装上摄像头被人远程监视的滋味不好受 -000(老九); 2001-7-23 (#141669@0)
      • Yo! Are you receiving the same therapy too? Don't speak for anyone. Instead, ask. Even if you're right this time, you could be wrong.. ;) -guest:New Pan; 2001-7-23 (#142172@0)
    • 很新奇.恐怕小潘不能接受.他想低调.至今他都不想家乡的朋友知道他的病情. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141691@0)
      • 提问,回答 -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {384} (#141728@0)
        -医院未必同意；
        那 1 万多快钱咱就扎着

        -不会有太多人网上去看；
        现在下着结论还太早

        -INSURENCE公司大概收不到什么钱
        收一半它就挣,此外它还省了,广告费人工费

        -装上摄像头被人远程监视的滋味不好受
        1.如果是她妈哪?
        2.又不是 24 x 7

        -他想低调.至今他都不想家乡的朋友知道他的病情.
        在他没招时,恐怕很多事儿由不得他自己了.

        我的这个方法可能是最省劲的方法了,欢迎大家提出更好的建议
        • 俺不能替别人说话(SLIMPIGGY语录).中午俺去问一下小潘,他若不介意在镜头下生活,就没问题. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141745@0)
          • 依我看还是省了吧。他不会同意的。 -bloor(不老); 2001-7-23 (#141749@0)
            • 我也认为他想平静地,低调地度日.探望过他的人应该会体会到. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141760@0)
    • 我看你这是想借助潘的事做点广告吧。其实救他很简单，有你想这么多歪招的功夫，拿50块钱出来，只要rolia上游20个人每月拿50，潘就够了。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141734@0)
      • 鱼, 你这样说话可不太好. 我想夫妻在线只是想从另一个角度去帮小潘. 如果能吸引进来一些商家, 钱的数目就会大很多. 光靠个人捐款是很有限的. 明天又有个类似小潘的例子, 你能每月50吗? 至于商业计划的可行性是另外一回事, -dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子); 2001-7-23 {22} (#141746@0)
        别打击错了人, 三思好吗
        • 少来。我说的没错。我现在没工作我也能保证一月50。我就怕精英们，正大钱的人们保证不了. -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141752@0)
          • Calm down, friend, PLEASE. -bloor(不老); 2001-7-23 (#141754@0)
          • 好, 那你一个人贴吧 -dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子); 2001-7-23 (#141761@0)
            • 正面回答我问题。你一月给50吗？你不是特有本事吗？同样问，上面那个不老，你给吗？ -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141763@0)
              • 哎，跟你真的是没话可说。我只是希望你别那么大的火气。 -bloor(不老); 2001-7-23 (#141769@0)
                • 我跟你也没话说，你还是没回答我问题。包括饺子，什么嘛。哼，先走了。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141776@0)
                  • 嘿,人家干吗要理你,你这么毫无根据地乱指责别人. 你不知道bloor包了潘的长途电话费吧,那可不是每个月50块能打下来的. -qiuqiu(秋秋); 2001-7-23 (#141781@0)
                    • 不用解释，我觉得这个飞翔的鱼就是在借机会闹腾一下，并不是真的关心谁。真的关心潘中原的人，会说这种伤人心的话吗？潘中原看到这样的贴子，能不伤心吗？ -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141793@0)
                      • 绝对是有人想借机会闹一下，但是不是我，你把眼擦亮点，看仔细了 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141800@0)
                        • 眼睛擦亮了，仔细看了。看不出Coupleonline是否有私心在里面，但是他是在想办法帮助人。你这种闹法，无论我怎么擦眼睛，也看不出来是在帮助人。 -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141833@0)
              • 不 -dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子); 2001-7-23 (#141772@0)
                • 理性,好. -flying_snow(飞雪浮冰); 2001-7-23 (#141866@0)
                  • 什么，还好?还理性?赤裸裸的虚伪，简直好笑，虚伪透顶，除了吹牛还会做点什么。 -guest:夸张; 2001-7-23 (#142079@0)
                    • 你简直是在给GUEST的脸上抹黑。GUEST的败类。 -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142086@0)
                      • 我只不过说了一下某些没头脑的人的呕像，就成了败类了?你是英雄，你都\为潘中原做了些什么? -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142088@0)
                        • egghead们毕竟见的市面比较窄，容易别人说什么就信什么，我支持你 -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142093@0)
                    • 我觉得她如果说YES倒是虚伪 -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142313@0)
                      • 傻子 -guest:guset; 2001-7-25 (#144950@0)
          • 鱼，我赞成你的说法，不管别的对不对，就是这个饺子，她只会说点什么去教书之类不着边的话，反正没有证实，这类立刻掏钱的事她只会说不，从来不觉得她有本事，吹牛大王 -guest:夸张; 2001-7-23 (#142076@0)
            • 你有一点没搞懂。NONE OF THEM IS YOUR BUSINESS。呵呵 -dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子); 2001-7-23 (#142329@0)
              • 瞧您虚的，嘴里呵呵的时候心里恨不得想把人咬碎，怎么这么烦你这种人。 -guest:guest; 2001-7-25 (#144948@0)
      • 一条有性格的鱼.俺觉得你说的不无道理,五十元/月对很多ROLIA上的家庭来说并非难事,可是小潘不仅仅需要物质上的帮助,也需要精神上的关怀.方式可以探讨,但大家爱护他的心是相同的.你可以用更文明的方式表达你的想法. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141751@0)
        • 您是个讲理的人，这么说吧，钱很重要，有了钱，他爸就不用自己做饭，他就有钱看电视了。也许就是他人生做后几个月，连电视都看不上，不会这么惨吧。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141757@0)
          • 所以我自身尽量也建议大家去看他们的时候,顺便带点饭菜,或者报纸给小潘.上次我看到有人带了份"大中报",真的不错.我觉得与其花时间教训别人,不如去身体力行,尽自己的能力帮一下他们.自己问心无愧就行了. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141767@0)
            • 某些人做到问心无愧很容易。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141777@0)
              • 那倒是.每个人为人处世的原则都不一样,要统一起来是一个很大也不可能完成的工程.只要你充满爱心,问心无愧地去做你认为该做的,哪里还有精力去要求别人.而且我见过COUPLEONLINE,她真是个热心的人.相信她是好心. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141784@0)
          • 飞鱼, 我喜欢你的性格, 可你楼上的话说过火了, 伤人了. 夫妻在线是好心人呐, 去这个帖子看看 #140735 -holly(只羡厨师不羡仙); 2001-7-23 (#141771@0)
      • you can disagree, but you can't use coarse language. It seems you come from beijing. Show your good side of beijing. I admaire your donation action. -guest:yang; 2001-7-23 (#141865@0)
    • 不好！请考虑到他和他父亲的自尊心。 -moonriver(moon river); 2001-7-23 (#141770@0)
      • 尊严来自实力 -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {11} (#141803@0)
        实力=>Money
        • 只要他们父子同意，我们不应该也没有权利拒绝任何帮助。 -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141809@0)
        • What do you mean? What do you want to say? What's your explanation of 实力? -bloor(不老); 2001-7-23 (#141811@0)
        • 俺不明白.自尊跟钱没啥关系吧? "贫贱不能移,威武不能屈". -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141817@0)
        • 那么尊严就来自money？没有钱就不能有尊严吗？去看过小潘的人都体会得到，他们都非常客气，特别是潘伯伯，一个老牌大学生，内心肯定是骄傲而敏感的，，现在已经不得已接受大家的这么多帮助，心里肯定不好受。 -moonriver(moon river); 2001-7-23 {72} (#141828@0)
          所以我希望大家去看他的时候尽量少带着同情，怜悯的目光，当然也包括我自己。
          • 同意！什么"20个精英养不了两个人？？？"的话，最伤人心！不但伤帮助别人的人的心，被帮助的人也会被无情的伤害！ -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141839@0)
      • Donation for pan in present way does not hurt Pan's self-respect? i do think this may be a good idea, which create a new way to help people know new immigrant life, and also create new concept. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141812@0)
        • That's the point. -guest:A-few-good-men-movie; 2001-7-23 {341} (#142190@0)
          That's the concept. No donation can last forever. Commerical is the way to go. What making it commercial has to do with self-esteem? If Pan can inspire the community, that's rather a great thing! Being positive and open about one's illness. Anything more brave than that?! It sounds to me like the Americans taking to the Eskimo... Maaan.
      • why not change our concept? why not think this is a way that Pan can do to help other new immigrant? -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141836@0)
    • i think it is a good idea if pan like it. then maybe we can create more chances for other new immigrant who need help. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141775@0)
    • Hi, you never know the feeling of a person near death. It's cruel to do so even it can bring some benifits to him -wander2001(wander); 2001-7-23 (#141813@0)
      • why not ask Pan's idea? I thought maybe he like this idea not only for himself. maybe he want to show canada life in a new immigrant's eyes. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141816@0)
    • 请大家冷静一点!!!!谁都不能替小潘讲话,对吧?我已经打印了一份COUPLEONLINE的PROPOSAL,三十分钟后给小潘看.听他怎么说.(我总觉得太残忍) -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141842@0)
      • 几点：这是众多网友中的一个，想出来的主意；试试能不能探索一条帮助新移民的道路；潘中原也给了我们对待生活的勇气；一切让潘中原父子决定。 -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141851@0)
        • i agree with you. we should change our concept, and we should have some practical method. if pan like it, i am moved. since this is not only for him, but also for some other immigrant. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141858@0)
      • 我建议先等等, 如果我没猜错的话, 这这是个方案, 还没有很成熟. 如果给他们看, 也得用另一个版本. 你说呢? -dropoutinmiami(东北的饺子); 2001-7-23 (#141854@0)
        • i also think that we should find some information in internet. maybe we can find the person who has the same experiences as pan. and then we can know this person's feeling, and the result. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141864@0)
        • 如果小潘一口回绝,不愿在镜头下度过剩下的日子,也不用再花时间去在这个方案上下工夫了,对吧? -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141867@0)
          • this is only an initial idea. i think we can have better idea for it. the practical method is not fixed yet. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141874@0)
            • 林妹妹，某些人不用理，没看上面说吗，还想通小潘这事给新移民找点出路呢。对，就不考虑小潘的感觉，给那帮孙子找出路是么？？？？？？？Y不是什么好鸟，你是明事理的人，这个建议很白痴或者很功利，您看着办吧。 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-7-23 (#141883@0)
              • i do not think he will spend his life under the camera by this way, we can find a practical method. and also i do not think it is wrong or pan feel unhappy if pan think that he can help other immigrants. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141891@0)
              • 如果潘中原觉得自己也能够帮助他人，这种对他的帮助比廉价的笑话有用的多。 -guest:Guest; 2001-7-23 (#141898@0)
            • 你的意思也是先不要给他们看,对吗? -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141885@0)
          • 看不出他有什么同意的理由，相反这样做有可能会使他感到大家是不是准备不管他了，他会很伤心的。 -wanderer(四海为家); 2001-7-23 (#141888@0)
      • 真是损招，谁愿意在镜头下面过日子 -000(老九); 2001-7-23 (#141881@0)
      • 这种主意就别拿给他看了 （是不是说的太晚了）？ -000(老九); 2001-7-23 (#141887@0)
        • 不会.俺现在走了,好象有点下雨. ANYWAY, 回来后向大家通报他们的近况. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141896@0)
          • 别给他看，你愿意提的话可以拐弯抹角问一句，这样的主意太伤自尊心 -000(老九); 2001-7-23 (#141900@0)
            • 對對對...絕對不要那樣做..好像要脅..----拉..錢沒有可以幫助你了.除非你自己上鏡招廣告..太不照顧PAN的感受了. 沒有人願意象大猩猩那樣..24小時給別人"監視"....no PRIVACY AT ALL ... -guest:GuEsT; 2001-7-23 (#142125@0)
          • MM lin, I thought maybe we can find some information about people such as Pan, then we can let Pan communicate with them. and then ask his feeling about it. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141912@0)
    • 这样不好,完全就是商业抄作了,潘伯伯我见过,真的是以前老大学生的典型样子,很客气,而且很慈祥,我想如果他能够,他是连我们都不愿意麻烦的，如果让他们这么做,请考虑一下他的自尊. -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-23 (#141877@0)
      • 真是个善解人意的好MM.俺决定,不跟他们提这事了.如果谁有更好的建议,可以提出来.COUPLEONLINE如果有更成熟的想法,可以进一步讨论,或自己跟他们说.因为是你的PROPOSAL,你会解释得更透些. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141890@0)
        • I agree with you. Better not to make his life too hot for the time being. Just do our best to help him. BTW does he have a walkman or ridio? I forgot to ask him yesterday. -cyt(cyt); 2001-7-23 (#141901@0)
          • no -moonriver(moon river); 2001-7-23 (#141917@0)
          • No, he does not have at present. I am just thinking of getting him one. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#141980@0)
            • 他有个收音机.但是没有DISC MAN 或 WALKMAN. 有没有朋友可以借给他(最好带几张CD或卡带). 太不巧了,俺只有个MINI RADIO, 本想捐出来的. -linmeimei(林妹妹); 2001-7-23 (#142149@0)
        • 如果没有什么变化，周 3我去医院服务一天 -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {22} (#141949@0)
          什么时候到合适，请指示
          • 真好! 言出必行, 不过, 是不是先和小潘联系一下? 或者让slimpiggy or bloor带个口信问一下? 我只是觉得, 有些护理的事儿不是亲人恐怕小潘不肯的. -holly(只羡厨师不羡仙); 2001-7-23 (#141952@0)
      • 真是个善解人意的好girl. Where are you graduated? Maybe you are my student, hehe -bluespirt(聪聪); 2001-7-23 (#141943@0)
        • me?you mean university or junior school or senior school or ...... -vivianwang(纤云); 2001-7-23 (#142013@0)
          • university -bluespirt(聪聪); 2001-7-23 (#142154@0)
          • No, she means that she's older than you are. That's all. Maybe calling her a Grandma would make her much happier... -guest:oldLady; 2001-7-23 (#142168@0)
    • 不好不好不好！反对反对反对！谁愿意在摄像头前过日子啊，更何况小潘现在的情况？！！！馊，这主意实在是有点馊！ -xiaopig(小猪格格); 2001-7-23 (#141894@0)
      • maybe we can have a program half an hour one day. let pan tell us his dream, his feeling, his life and the people who helped him. -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#141919@0)
      • Not you? Some girls live in front of a web cam just to make show... -guest:-Reegis; 2001-7-23 {225} (#142171@0)
        especially the pretty ones... hehe just kidding. The moral is, don't speak for Pan, you're not him, he's boy, he's Pan! Discussion is good. But don't ever think anyone is morally more higher level than anyone else. Okay?
    • 谁比谁傻多少?! -ocanada(ocanada); 2001-7-23 {119} (#142104@0)
      这两个家活表面上是想帮把手,其实是在为自己做广告!
      这种耍小聪明的做法实在令人发指,尤其是利用生命垂危的病人!, 太可恶了!!!
      • 你知道他们的底细吗? -mqu27(mqu27); 2001-7-23 (#142128@0)
      • 千万别把我当人 -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {30} (#142178@0)
        通读王朔几十篇，不会胡侃也会编
    • Good idea. -guest:-ChinaTown; 2001-7-23 {314} (#142163@0)
      As you see, that's why the new poll shows that even the recent mainland immigrants brought "more" money or earn high salaries, the spending is much dwarfed by most people from other regions.

      You may want to contact Pan himself, whom no body can speak for. But hey don't forget it's still Spadina here... ;)
      • Thanks a lot -coupleonline(夫妻在线); 2001-7-23 {52} (#142184@0)
        --it's still Spadina here... ;)

        what your mean?
        • I mean Spadina Ave. -guest:ChinaTown; 2001-7-23 (#142187@0)
        • 他的意思大概是,rolia这呢仍然是个唐人街,成不了什么气候. -qiuqiu(秋秋); 2001-7-23 (#142200@0)
          • That's your opinion right? :) what's your email? :))) -guest:秋; 2001-7-23 (#142404@0)
    • Open your eyes, clear up your thoughts! -guest:Open your eyes!; 2001-7-23 {795} (#142195@0)
      I've seen much of the old world clashes with the new ideas, but nothing ever like tihs one. Being on webcast, on TV, going commercial is self-respect! It is self-esteem!!

      It shows one's bravery! Fighting with the disease while inspiring the whole community!

      And look those who don't agree with the idea. It's okay NOT to agree! But it's NOT okay to threat, to attact personally, to destroy the other idea's reputation.

      It is NOT okay to put negative thoughts on the ideas that you don't have to agree.

      It gets even worse when those who believed in ones' own arrogance to speak for someone, and self-cheating to be morally higher and better. It reminds me the culture revolution, the opponents are always the enemies, not just those who happened to see a little differently...
      • 吁，打住。战胜疾病的自信，和liveshow的自信能是一码事吗，很多人得病以后都会有战胜疾病的自信，但是上liveshow这么耀眼的事情，rolia上最喜欢耀眼的饺子都不见得会同意，何况一个病人，省省吧。 -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142212@0)
        • That's exactly the point. The inspiration comes by simply not to agree with "何况一个病人，省省吧". ;) Sick people and people are both people. White horse is horse. Black man is man... ;) -guest:SickPeopel; 2001-7-23 (#142229@0)
          • 吁！再次打住。Sick people are people, 但是special people, 如果你觉得能special到主演liveshow的地步，那你正好把人家special的方向说反了。想想你自己吧，当你病的越来越重的时候，你是变得更active还是更passive。 -guest:; 2001-7-23 (#142299@0)
            • Hey, we're all special people here. ;) You're yellow, I'm black ;) Or maybe you're white pony? :) -guest:ChinaTown; 2001-7-23 (#142337@0)
            • No you don't have to act up on the cam or TV, be yourself and positive, that's what it's all about. -guest:guest; 2001-7-23 (#142364@0)
            • What do you mean by passive? it's not a tense man. I suppose you mean not that energetic, you're thinking of make a move or what! -guest:JoeBlow; 2001-7-23 (#142371@0)
              • Movie, that is. -guest:JoeBlow; 2001-7-23 (#142373@0)
                • 吁！吁！吁！这里又没有轻松岭那棵老槐树，这么还这么不听话。 -guest:; 2001-7-23 {206} (#142382@0)
                  看你这么着急的样子，咱也别闲着，帮你出个主义吧，甭麻烦人家奄奄一息（和你对比而言）的小潘了，就在你床前架个webcam，你客串一下，又过瘾，又做善事（当然你如果觉得是劳动所得应该据为己有估计也没有人会跟你抢的）。
                  • very cute, no, I mean Q. IMO. :) -guest:Q; 2001-7-23 (#142392@0)
                    • very cute too, no, I mean K. IMO. :) -guest:K; 2001-7-23 (#142407@0)
                      • BTW, K means okay. Q means ... like Ah Q? eyh. -guest:Q; 2001-7-23 (#142416@0)
                        • BTW, Q means cute, K means ... like Kao? eyh. -guest:K; 2001-7-23 (#142422@0)
                          • hehehe, very chinklish... and cute too. ;) -guest:Q; 2001-7-23 (#142426@0)
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