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  • 工作学习 / 求学深造 / Applying universities in Canada (apply for master or bachelor's program ) -ycc(carol); 2000-8-4 {3360} (#5208@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I am an international master student of CS in Queen's.
    I am very glad to share my opinion and experience of applying
    for Canadian universities with others who are interested in this.
    Hope can do some help.

    I will conclude my opinoin in answering several questions and
    post them one by one. But please notice it's just my personal
    opinion for your reference. You will make your own decision
    based on your specific circumstance. Welcome any feedback.

    (1) apply for master or bachelor program
    If you have the same or similar background(major of bachelor
    degree), you can apply for a master's degree, or it's quite hard to
    be admitted only if you can give strong prove that you are
    capable to do research in the field you are applying.

    If you have bachelor's degree in CS, CE or EE, which are quite
    hot and easy to find job here and also you are interested in the
    field, I suggest you go for a master's degree. Reasons:
    a) master's are better paid than bachelor's
    b) most hi-tech companies prefer to recruit master's
    c) most master's program offer financial aid. and normally will
    be full financial aid, no need to get loan.
    d) You will have enough opportunities and time to improve your
    language, enrich your knowledge and accumulate your
    experience, say ability to give presentation, work on big and
    useful project, and so on which will help a lot for your future
    career even in finding a job.

    BTW, even if you are not admitted by the normal thesis-based
    master program, check the universities' website to see if they
    have pattern 2(courses-based program). Normally you should
    pay your own tuition, but you can finish much quicker(4terms)
    than the thesis-based program (over 2 years) and the same
    master's degree. And they are much easier to be admitted.

    If you are major in other field, consult your friends or anyone
    you know that in this field about the job opportunities. I know a
    lot of Chinese here holding the master's degree(Canadian
    one) still can't find a job(for example economics). Later they
    still go for bachelor's degree in CS. So you should consider
    which major you are going for first before you make any other decision.

    So my suggestion is if your major is hard to find a job here, go
    for a second-degree program(bachelor's) in such hot field(CS,
    CE, EE, Nurse...). The reasons include:
    a) You are more likely to be admitted than the master program.
    b) You only need to take courses, no need to struggle for the
    theis research.
    c) You can apply internship or summer job in the second or third
    year. Some universities, say Waterloo, they have co-op
    program which takes totally almost 5 years, but in two years
    you are working for those companies, earning money and
    experience.
    d) Normally you can transfer credits from your first degree.
    Say Queen's CS second-degree program, you only need to
    take 16 courses, chances are you can finish in no more than
    2 years.
    e) With bachelor's degree here, you are quite likely to be
    admitted to master program if you want to.

    But sure you should take care of the money issue as you have
    to pay your tuition. Try to get federal and provincial loan, they are
    worthy to borrow.

    PS, the above suggestion is based on the case that you are PR
    here.

    Carol更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • I want to know about your experience in the university -amy(ss); 2000-8-4 {697} (#5239@0)
      you have shared with us so much about major
      selection, master or bachelor selection, and so on.
      there are many such things in the web.
      but we want to share with you the expierence
      about your study in Canada. for example,
      you change your major, can you adapt
      easily to the new area? especially being
      taught by foreign language. What is the
      most difficult thing in your study? is there
      much stress? how many course do you select
      each semester, do you feel the work is
      heavy? how about your foreign classmates?
      we want to know the real feeling about
      study in canada, especially undergraduate study
      majoring in CS. There are so many people are
      thinking about change major.
      thank you
      • Answers -ali(Ali); 2000-12-4 {660} (#17145@0)
        1> No pain no gain. Be ready to pay the price for easy life later.

        2> Language-professiency is a key ability for job hunting.Going through
        a re-education phase helps you polish your English in all aspects.

        3> There is enough stress, especially for CS students no matter Bachlor
        or Master's programm. Working overnight is common during the
        project-due season.

        4> For underdrads, 4 courses/term will be heavy enough.

        5> There are so many Chinese students, so you get good partners on doing
        your homeworks. You may talk to guys/gals from other places, but who
        knows what you expect from them.

        6> Finally, hardworking pays.
    • How is the job perspective for civil engineer, you mentioned CE as one of hot fields. I was admitted to UBC master's in Civil Engineering this year but I remained in Singapore, Should I go for the program ?perhaps they still want me. -guest:Wenbin; 2000-11-14 (#14368@0)
      • what helpful information that you provided!go on,carol,please give some advice to these arts bachelor degree holders. -kemo(kemo); 2000-11-14 {186} (#14377@0)
        I wander if there are some employment opportunities for financial speciality,and is it hotly competitive to apply the MBA?what is the score usually required for TOEFL and GMAT?thank you!
      • If you have a job in singapore, try to saty there or back to china. -bukit(bukit); 2001-8-25 {314} (#179077@0)
        If you have a job in singapore, try to saty there or back to china.
        civil engineering is no use in canada, they build timber housess only. there is 0 hotel built inpast 10 years in toronto.
        or you can go to USA after graduation.
        I came from singapore, and I'm civil engineer too, I want to change my career.
    • I'm interested in applying to queen's .as I know,it is difficult to enter queen's .could you please tell me your e-mail?my e-mail: 5156lhf@usa.net -5156lhf(happy2000); 2000-11-27 (#15961@0)
    • Very helpful. And you demonstrate your excelllent English command. This is also why you are admitted. -bipo(bipo); 2000-11-27 (#16008@0)
    • Carol, 你好, 我是cindy. 我正好在申请QUEEN的CS研究生。我想请问以下： -canada(canada); 2000-11-27 {289} (#16019@0)
      1）GRE的最低分要多少？我有2个成绩：
      460，44%/ 780，94%/740，94% （1995）
      470，48%/770，93%/670，81% （1996）
      我有希望吗？递哪个成绩好呢？
      我听说GRE没有要求一定要5年之内的，是这样吗？
      2）在联系过程中要不要和教授联系？这样会增加入学的机会吗？

      我正在准备资料，希望能得到你的回答。谢谢
      • Something I know -ali(Ali); 2000-12-4 {624} (#17140@0)
        1) The GRE score is not mandatory.
        2) Contacting your potential supervisor is definitely helpful.
        You must apply for the thesis option to get a supervisor and
        finaltial aid may be considered for these students first.
        3) If you are applying for master's program, the department committee
        will decide who they will accept but your supervisor will have a say.

        I was in the same building as the CS dept., so my information may not
        be 100% accurate. You can check www.queensu.ca for the department
        information and the profs email info and research areas are all there.
        Just keep trying and you will finally get it.
        • thank you very much for your encouragemnt. I will try. -canada(canada); 2000-12-5 (#17211@0)
        • please check your inbox. -snowbird(amei); 2001-4-21 (#50067@0)
    • Thank you ! Your message is relly helpful! -bluegirl(bluegirl); 2000-11-27 (#16038@0)
    • Hi,Carol. If I apply EE in china, can I change to PR student after landing? With a EE master degree, easy to find a job in Toronto or other big city? how about in US? -cedar(lee); 2001-8-20 (#173176@0)
    • Your information is great helpful for me, but I have some qustions yet. Please help me. -dingdd(dingdd); 2001-8-22 {202} (#176191@0)
      我正在办理加拿大移民.我打算去了先去大学读个硕士学位.(我是91年毕业的EE电气工程学士).为节约时间,我想在中国以留学生身份申请加拿大大学.拿到移民纸后去加拿大,入学前到大学改身份.不知这样能行吗? 期待着你的回答.
    • As you say, arts students are dead fish? If I am not interested in CS majors, do you have any suggestions for me? -gonewind(pin); 2001-8-24 (#178727@0)
    • 非常感谢你的文章，现有个问题：如果托福分不够的话，在加怎么办？ -lucylian(lucylian); 2001-11-2 (#246383@0)
      • 你可以去UCC，先读4个月英语，然后读专业课程。具体问题可以打电话问我。（604）725-0912 -limzhu(lim); 2001-11-11 (#257584@0)
        • Is there similiar thing in Toronto? Which university needn't Toefl test for master's degree if you take 4-month English course? -helen_han(whale); 2001-11-11 (#257768@0)
          • UCC(UNIVERSITY COLLEGE OF CARIBOO) offers bachelor degree, not master. I don't know about master. -limzhu(lim); 2001-11-12 (#259458@0)
        • what is UCC -herohooligan(七把叉); 2001-11-11 (#258432@0)
          • VCC是温哥华社区学院 -katepurpur(神经小姐); 2001-11-11 (#258461@0)
      • 请问各位前辈？ -qu_robin(robinq); 2001-11-13 {106} (#260378@0)
        我有一事情问：听说如果你的托福分不够的话，可以先去大学读半年语言，再成为正式生，请问次事是真的吗？谢谢！！
        • 是的。但不是所有的学校。要注意的是，千万别找私立学校或所谓美国大学加拿大分校，会受骗的。一定要找公立大学，有一定规模，历史和声誉的。 -limzhu(lim); 2001-11-15 (#262078@0)
    • 看了你的文章，非常感谢！但有问题想请教： -jacky2000(Jacky); 2001-11-11 {321} (#257774@0)
      我是机械专科毕业，后又进修计算机本科，并取得计算机工程学位。现准备申请concordia大学的accounting专业，我想申请免掉一些课程，比如数学，线性代数，计算机入门等，我应该什么时候提出申请？如何申请？是不是要写课程描述？是不是所有课都要写？要申请免掉的课是不是名称一定要与以前学的一致才行？专科读过的课程是不是也能申请免掉？多谢！
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