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  • 枫下拾英 / 心情随笔 / 不明白,大家为什么喜欢欺骗?而且觉得欺骗有理?~~~~~:( -aabb(爱吃水草的鱼); 2001-1-16 {1810} (#21868@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛偶觉得偶挺传统的,中国化的,不过看看国外,从小孩就开始教育,不要说谎!说谎是可耻的!这么说,无论中国的还是加拿大的,在这一点上应该是没有分歧的.

    那位朋友的意思并不是说讨厌非CS移民,抱怨非CS移民抢了他的饭碗(况且他现在有碗啊,不是没碗在抱怨),相反,他是赞同凭真本事挣到饭碗的,无论他是不是CS毕业,他所反对的是,不务实只务虚,不求内在提高,只靠表面文章获得饭碗(这样的饭碗往往捧不牢,而且会坏了中国人这三个字!)
    偶想,如果偶的理解能力没出问题的话,他就是这个意思.

    另外一些朋友火气比较大,不过,看得出,他们中的大部分也都没错,他们希望无论什么专业的人,都应该能找到好工作,而且目前加拿大的IT工作薪水高,机会多,大家最好都去.这很对!人往高处走!偶也不是CS毕业的,偶也转到了IT,一方面是兴趣,一方面就是物质利益驱使.其实,加拿大的IT届也不是遍地黄金,有竞争才能有进步,偶能感到竞争的残酷,但偶不会惧怕竞争,更不会为了减少竞争而希望对手们都退出IT,这想法太缺德了,嘻嘻.
    不过,这些朋友误解了别人的意思,人家那么牛,即使有人更牛,但他怎么也是TOP10了吧?他何必怕别人抢饭碗?大家re他时好象混淆了概念.

    但有些朋友似乎太过激了一些,居然鼓吹蒙事有理?偶好象可以这么理解他的意思,为了生存,为了能在加拿大找到好工作,可以不择手段!与其花功夫认真学java,不如粉饰resume编撰reference.这些固然重要,但过分专注于此,是不是本末倒置了?

    欺骗,呵呵,也不是移民的专利,中国学生的骗术更早就在北美闻名了.清华,北大的学生不可谓不是中国的精英,他们都比偶牛多了,但仍有相当多的人在ps中动辄称自己是TOP3,称自己是某国家重点项目的主要负责人,获奖无数,而自己从小到大,以至当前的导师一直都称赞自己如何的聪明过人........呵呵,以前呢,外国教授看的真是兴奋啊,结果来了之后对他失望已极~~~后来,外国教授看到这么出色的或者"出色"的中国学生就害怕~~~

    当然,无论是中国的学生还是中国的移民,也无论是不是CS的,都有很多出了国,包括一时蒙骗出去的,也有很多有不错的发展,这是主流.前面的那位朋友只是在反对主流下面隐藏的一些不太好的,并对主流产生负面影响的现象.

    传统道德观念告诉偶,欺骗是不好的,进而说是有理,就显得更奇怪了.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 人活一口气，树活一张皮 -diao_david(David Diao); 2001-1-16 {1446} (#21897@0)
    • 中国学生 -diao_david(David Diao); 2001-1-16 {1651} (#21899@0)
      • To David and other friends.... -jabber(jabber); 2001-1-16 {2334} (#21925@0)
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1) Just an addendum to what you have presented. Actually, one American professor has ever told me: "If you look at their references, 90% of Chinese students are qualified for Nobel prize."

        2) Although I have been encouraging non-IT friends to learn something like Java and Oracle, and although I advocate it is necessary to decorate resumes, my baseline is that people need to have some true skills. One friend said that some Chinese guy can fool 5-6 IT companies
        consecutively, each per month. I really cannot believe this. Yesterday,
        I made a list of my students and friends who succeeded in getting into
        US IT job market. All of them spent 8-15 months to master some skills.
        Of course, there are some fakes in their resumes. So far, all of them
        are doing well. Exactly speaking, they cheated employers but their cheating is based on some true skills. I guess Canadian IT market is too chaotic--- it seems that some people who has never used Unix dare to seek a UNIN admin position in Canada.

        3) I can understand those friend's rage about IT cheating. So a question arises: how to fight against it? It is no use for us to curse here. My present team is a 16 people team and half of them are just killing time.
        Among them are Chinese and Indian. One Chinese colleague has a very high pay rate. This person has been in the IT industry for a couple of years.
        This person feels very good. But I see this person knows nothing. What can I do? The only thing I can do is
        NOT to collaborate with this person. I can help all the people who are not strong but are diliegent in learning. But I have no patience to say one more words to this person. What else can I do? My friends? Of course,
        If I were a manger, I would have got rid of this person long long time ago.

        4) View different people in diiferent standards. Just at my present working site, there is another Chinese person. She just graduated from
        a University and is very persitant in learning Java. I am always happy to anser her questions, just as I have been doing at this BBS.

        5) I show my strongest respect for those who never cheat. I am always
        considerate of those who have to cheat but possess true skills.

        6) I follow Eglington's suggestion and won't be involved in further discussion.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 我也停止 -diao_david(David Diao); 2001-1-16 {370} (#21929@0)
          看了 Eglington 和 Jabber 文章，我停止对这个问题的争辩了。有这些时间，我可以多读一些书，多写两行程序。虽然我放弃了成为 IT 精英的梦想，但是计算机依旧是我最大的爱好。
          就像 Eglington 说的，干什么都要干出个样来。哪怕写些假的经历，也要有真的本领去充实。他们的经历是按一天8个小时，一周5天的工作算的。如果你真的花上一年，每天十几个小时的时间去学习，肯定比吊儿郎当地工作5年强。
    • 人家一个被抓的贪官说了，大家都贪你不贪，你就是众人的眼中钉，肉中刺，不贪的是精神病，请把贪和撒谎替换 -guest:这个草鱼不简单; 2001-1-17 (#21992@0)
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