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  • 工作学习 / 求学深造 / Could you help me? -guest:bruce; 2001-1-18 {268} (#22255@0)
    Dear friends, do you know where can I find a good place to learn english except LINC and ESL, Since my oral and listening is bad. I need to improve the pronunciation. I heard there is a kind of high school for learning english, isn't it ? Please help me! Thanks.
    • most important question: where are you? -guest:; 2001-1-18 (#22266@0)
      • I live in toronto, the intersection is keele & finch. Can you help me? -guest:bruce; 2001-1-18 (#22341@0)
        • I think you can find free information from local HRDC office. -guest:; 2001-1-19 (#22395@0)
    • The best English course is from Bonnie Association. Approximately CAD 1500 for 22 hrs. I have been benefited from it. Tel 416 323 3881 -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-19 (#22452@0)
      • how much benefit is it? I am not rich and do think the price is crazily high. -guest:; 2001-1-19 (#22483@0)
        • Improved dramatically and know what's good and what's wrong in speaking. The company also trains broadcaster for TV and Radio stations. -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-22 {715} (#22769@0)
          Think about the ladies speaking in TV. It is impossible for us to get that
          level, but from the course, at least you know where you can go and how.
          It is pain to pay so much for so little. For many of us, English is the
          only reason that blocks us to find a job. An hidden factoid: native speakers
          often think you are stupid if you don't speak perfect english. How do
          you understand? Think about in China, you talk to a Cantonese speaker
          who tries to talk to you in Mandrine. You ofetn feel relunctant to talk
          to him. You tend to think he is stupid. Eventhough you know he is not.
          The fact that he maybe smarter than you doesn't change your tendency to
          think he is stupid. We are now in the same situation.
          • never ever take anybody who speaks different language as stupid person. that's very dangerous attitude, especially you are not native speaker either, like most immigrants in Toronto. -guest:; 2001-1-22 (#22793@0)
            • read my post again. I didn't mean what you mean. -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-22 (#22796@0)
          • I feel this school is like many so-called IT training schools, say, 500$ for how to use Windows2000 course. Did you really pay your tuition by yourself and find decent job with the help from the experience at this school? -guest:; 2001-1-22 {57} (#22794@0)
            tell us more your own learning experience if you'd like.
            • Sorry. I, upon the request of help from Bruce, gave him some information for reference. It is up to each reader to decide if he needs to believe. However -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-22 {305} (#22799@0)
              the feedbacks are imposing too much assumption on me, which is wrong. I am
              here to help those who need and trust. If you don't need or trust, I have no
              intention to force you do so. It is always wrong to label an opinion to
              somebody who didn't have and then attack the opinion as well as the people.
              • why don't you read your own post too? you kept using stupid, which I don't really care since it's your personal preference. but you really haven't proved anything convincing yet. -guest:; 2001-1-22 (#22817@0)
                • be polite is even more important than english ability -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-27 (#23047@0)
              • it's question, not assumption. please don't misunderstand it and it'll be very kind of you to tell new immigrants some successful experience. thanks for your precious time. -guest:; 2001-1-22 (#22819@0)
                • My experience -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-23 {1359} (#22847@0)
                  本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Our problems are pronunciation and expression. Very little of us can say
                  "l", "th", "r" and "oo" correctly. I have spent a lot of time in searching
                  the best place to improve them. However, different people has different
                  standard. Many people think their level is good enough or the level from
                  Link or ESL is fine for them. A few of us pursue different level. When you
                  are aiming to speak decent English, there is very little place you can go.
                  The place I recommanded teaches broadcasters, party candidates, and foreign
                  professionals. I think it is the best school if you are looking for effective
                  learning rather than wasting time in LINK or ESL.

                  I have had 'l', 'th', 'r' and 'oo' problems and many expression or Chinglish
                  problem before I took courses there. Now, these problems are eliminated. And
                  I gain big improvement in spoken English. Mine is not as good as I expect yet.
                  I am still taking courses.

                  The price is almost mad. It is your decision if you would accept such an
                  expensive tutoring.

                  As per the relation between English ability and job, my intention is to emphysize
                  the importance of English. I didn't mean that I hadn't gotten a job until I
                  started learning from the school. My opinion in enssential elements for job
                  locating is 60% English + 35% Skills + 5% lucky.

                  Wish you a Happy new year.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • Why do you think Cantonese speaker can't speak good mandarin? why do you think they are stupid?please be polite to all cantonese speaker! -chakchi(Ling); 2001-1-27 (#23051@0)
            • I didn't say so. Be polite, please. -wjiang(wjiang); 2001-1-27 (#23054@0)
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