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  • 枫下拾英 / 心情随笔 / 移民加拿大真的是个错误吗？ -major(pine); 2000-12-20 {1727} (#18805@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I am over 36 years old ,more than 10 years' software programming experience and now work as IT programmer at a provincial branch bank of a state commercial bank in China. Recently my bank gives me a house about 120 square meter size at the cost about 100000 yuan if I promise to continue to work for the bank for 15 years.

    I began my immigration application three years ago and pass the interview in HK at the end of 1998. Unfortunately I met with the background check as I was a PLA man. After more than 2 years background check, the immigration section will give me and my wife and son the landing paper soon. When I tell some friends who have come to Canada one or two years before, they tell me I'd better not go there, because there are no hopes and no future in Canada and finding good job only by fortune not by your level, they feel very lonely there. Canada is not their land. It is very hard for them to get along with the Canadian society. No recreation , no time and no heart to enjoy Canadian beautiful scenery. They all seem heavy-hearted . When I asked them how about their tomorrow in Canada, their answers are "I do not know!" . Some of them are going to go back China.

    Is it true? Is it so terrible to live and in Canada ? Is it really not hope and no better future in Canada for new immigrants. Whether are most of new immigrants regret of going to Canada?

    I will appreciate if some friends who have come to Canada tell me the true, and give me some advices and tell me it is right or wrong if I give up my current job and give up my somewhat better life in China and go to Canada to carve out my new way from vrey beginning .

    Merry Christmas and Happy new year and Good luck to everyone.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • Canada is not good for every body -guest:take care; 2000-12-20 (#18807@0)
      • 我觉得应该走，无论在哪里，只要努力，总会有回报的。我的朋友在加2年的都觉的挺好，刚去肯定会艰苦，我刚来深圳也是很艰苦的。去吧，也许2-5年后，你会为你决定感到欣慰的。 -bajio(bajio); 2000-12-25 (#19406@0)
    • It depends on your situation -guest:; 2000-12-20 {521} (#18812@0)
      I can't agree with what your friends said. Whether you can get a job depends on your working experience and communication skills, not the fate. So think about your situation. Is your English good enough? Do you master the hot and up-to-date technical skills? Can your spouse find a good job? Life is not easy if you can not find a job quickly. Even if one of you can find a job of 50 or 60K, when you have to pay for the house mortgage and car loan, so many insurance, RESP, RRSP, you still find you're in tight budget.
    • 哇塞!早知道银行待遇高,可还是没想到这么高!偶如果有这个位子就不走了.真的. -aabb(爱吃水草的鱼); 2000-12-23 (#19195@0)
      • maybe you misunderstand my meaning. I mean I only pay 100,000 yuan to buy a new house aboue 120 suqare meters. -major(pine); 2000-12-24 (#19214@0)
        • I think you should not hesitate to go. -gn63(rabbit); 2000-12-25 {1645} (#19284@0)
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛After I graduated with a MS in CS,I worked
          for a Bank,the pay was very good.I resigned to go to work in Singapore.Singapore is
          easy to find a job.Objectively say the
          place is good if you want to make money
          there.The tax is very low in Singapore.

          I was very missing China while working in Singapore.So I back to China. Working for several Hi Tech companies,the pay is also good compare to people in China.But
          gradually I found that it is become hard
          to find a job for me in China because my
          age has over 35.Most recuritment ads on
          news paper require below 35 years old even
          below 27/28/30. I know many people are required to retire at the age of 50 no matter how excellent are they.
          I just received a offer with monthly pay RMB10000 and share option after long
          time job search in China.After consideration,
          I declined the offer and decide to landing Canada.
          Because,today you have a high pay job in China,tomorrow you may XiaGang.Nobody can guarantee your future. In China,you youth
          is very short.

          I think,because Canadian PR now become
          relatively easy to get,so people forget to
          cherish it.Back to 15 years ago,my classmate
          went to Canada and got PR after 8 years
          struggle.
          We are luck now, I think.
          Think about,if Canadian gov delcares to close the immigration door from now on,how will you make your decision? and your friends who advise you don't come will back to China?
          Of course,someone choose abandon Canada and back to China permanently.
          But we just can say they are seldom.Many my
          friends in Singapore went to USA or
          Canada,but back to China, like me,I am seldom.


          Am I right or objectively?更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • Anyhow,thnak rabbit very much for giving me some advices and encouragement -major(pine); 2000-12-25 (#19343@0)
        • let me put this way -guest:guest; 2001-1-2 {307} (#20045@0)
          here when people buy HOUSE, not apartment, they rarely consider its lot size. it is very common to own a house larger than 2200 sq feet. area is not a key factor at all.

          fireplace, 4+ bedromms, 2 garages, large backyard, nice lawn...

          provided that u find a decent job, all these come true right away.
    • In my opinion you go there is a smart choice!~ -kelly(Susan); 2000-12-26 {288} (#19449@0)
      You should go to there! Maybe not for you and your wife but for your son! You can get a good job in Canada by your knowledge! Maybe it will be very hard for you at the begaining but you will love that place when you live there for a long time!! In my opinion go there is a smart choice!~
    • i might be choosed for the background check, would you be so kind to tell me some detailed information about the background check? Can you give me your e-mail address and I can contact with you? -liur(liur); 2000-12-26 {194} (#19519@0)
      i might be choosed for the background check, would you be so kind to tell me some detailed information about the background check? Can you give me your e-mail address and I can contact with you?
      • about background check -major(pine); 2000-12-28 {604} (#19719@0)
        if you was army man or your work had some relation with security or secrecy, maybe you would have some trouble. the Immigration officials will send a request to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service(CSIS) and ask CISIS to make an investation about your background. If that,just like me ,it is very unfortunate. the background will cost half a year or one year untill two year because there are too many persons will be checked and hard to make this investation. So , When you fill in the application table, be careful ,DO not say you and your spouse worked in the army etc.
        good luck to everyone.
        • How about CCP members?Is there any trouble for them? -okwei(okwei); 2001-1-24 (#22882@0)
          • Do not tell them you are a CCP member! Generally they will not ask you this question. -major(pine); 2001-2-2 (#23884@0)
      • Background Check -guest:Piano; 2001-3-24 (#36763@0)
    • China is not so Bad compare to Canada. and Canada is not so good compare to China. The most important thing is to enjoy your life whenever in China or in Canada. -guest:Calgarian; 2000-12-27 (#19626@0)
      • AGREE! -jesus(jesus); 2000-12-29 (#19810@0)
    • pine, thank you for your reply, can I contact with you directly? -liur(liur); 2000-12-28 {1438} (#19752@0)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛pine:

      It was so kind of you to reply me. I had the working experience in a faoreign consulate in Shanghai for 1.5 years as the commercial assistant of Consul General. I started the immigration application from two years ago by myself when I didn't know anything about the background check, so I filled application form with all the real information. I got IELTS score 7 in Sep.1999, and passed the interview and ME in Hong Kong in June 2000. I'm now still waiting for the visa or LP.

      During the waiting period, I asked the Canadian Consulate in Hong Kong re.my case through e-mail. They answered me with only one sentence "the background check takes at least two months". Does it mean I was chosen for the check? At this time, I understood there is the background check for some people who has the special experience such as army or diplomatic.

      I have no friend who has this experience to be checked, so I would like to ask some help from you. Would you tell me some more information about the background check? How can I know I was chosen to be checked? How do they check me? Shall I get any notice for that? Before the ME valid date, will the Canadian Consulate inform me to have a new ME? I don't mind to wait, but I hope to know the situation. I have to arrange my life accordingly. What can I do now?

      My e-mail address is : liur@stn.sh.cn, can I contact with you directly?

      Thank you again and best regards,
      liur更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • I try to email you,but failed . if possible, please tell me your phone directly. -major(pine); 2000-12-30 (#19921@0)
        • Thanks , pine -liur(liur); 2000-12-30 {51} (#19926@0)
          Thanks , pine, my phone no. is 021-56908573, Ms.Liu
        • Thousands thanks for your phone call. I'll keep you informed about my case. Here I found the website of SCIS and the some more information about BC. -liur(liur); 2001-1-1 {582} (#20032@0)
          CSIS has the web-site: csis-scrs.gc.ca . It's said: In 1997/98, the Service processed 53,029 requests from CIC under the Immigration Screening program. The average processing time was 24 days and approximately 51 percent of all cases were completed within this time-frame. The remaining 49 percent averaged 73 days to complete. Less than one percent of all cases took longer than 12 months to process.

          So as you said, the BC will take normally less than one year.

          You said you checked CSIS for your case, did you(or your rep.) use phone call, e-mail or fax?

          Thanks again.
          • my rep. sent a letter to CSIS and they replied by letter. you can try a letter or fax. -major(pine); 2001-1-2 (#20040@0)
    • 申请是个错误，拿到了LP而不去可能又是一个错误。 -haoran(sam); 2000-12-29 {884} (#19778@0)
      1．申请是个错误，
      1.1你已经不年轻了，三十好几的人，有家有口有一分稳定的生活，折腾啥。
      1.2你本身有一份不错的工作，至少让四川人羡慕，再说在单位混得还可以要不领导也不会给你买便宜房。120M的房可比加国的BASEMENT强。
      1.3成都的种种惬意（三两知几喝点小酒，吃吃火锅，摆摆龙门阵。。。。你仔细想想还挺多的）在加就变成CULTURE SHOCK了。

      2拿到了LP而不去可能又是一个错误。
      2.1 首先心态不一样了，人就是这样难免患得患失，如果真的放弃了，我敢打赌你十年都很难放得下，而这种心情会降低你本身的生活质量。
      2.2你毕竟是IT人材，总觉得会有很多机会，（事实上机会也的确多一点，不过最关键是你的准备和心态。）人家求还求不来。
      2.3女人往往是喜欢的，还有对孩子也许是个机会，为了女人与孩子，你老先生36岁还是再吃点苦吧。

      我并不打算帮你出主意，我真的不觉得你会放弃，只是你需要有人来支持你的观点而已。
      如果说有建议的话，就是“摆正心态，早下决心，多作准备，为家人而上。（当然最终也是为自己。）这是你命中注定。”
      • you are so kind,替他谢谢你！ -gclinda(linda); 2000-12-29 (#19785@0)
      • thank you very much for giving me advices. you are right, if I get the LP and give up, I will be regret all my life. Maybe I should bet. -major(pine); 2000-12-29 (#19792@0)
      • Right! -guest:xlb2001; 2001-8-19 (#172937@0)
    • It is all depend on yourself -blade(blade); 2000-12-29 {1453} (#19781@0)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Hi, Friend

      I am a new immigrant,a project engineer in oil industry, and now is living in Calgary,AB. I have met a lot of other new immigrants from all around the world. I realized that to find a job is only for luck.

      You have to have a Canadian working experience before you get a job(Canadian experience)!

      No matter what have you done in Your backhome, You can only do beginer's job.

      It is a big change, both in living and working. I am a young man, younger than most of the immigrants in Canada. I think I will go to the U.S. later. Canada is not my end. One reason, even Beiging is Better than any city in Canada.

      I think why you are coming to Canada is most importment. I have a friend, both the husbend and wife are project manager in China, they bring some ten thound US$s to Canada. They came just for their san. They are so happy to find a drafting job now.

      To live in Canada is easy, but it is hard to live a good life as you see from the American film. The most improtment thing I think is how you can treat the change.

      To most our immigrant the hardest is English. You have to join the Canadians and have small tolk with them, in order to make friend with them. Most jobs comes through that. The language learning will never end.

      All of the above is just what i think with my own experience, I do not think any advice can work for others to decide his own plan. Everybody should account on himself.

      Yours,

      Blade更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • It is very kind of you to tell me more. thnak you and good luck to you and all immigratants from China. -major(pine); 2000-12-29 (#19797@0)
        • hope it is of help -guest:guest; 2001-1-2 {244} (#20044@0)
          i think you should come.

          given your professional qualifications, you ought to find a relavant job comparatively easily.

          brush up your english/investigate canada's job market/tailor your resume/show yourself when required...

          good luck.
          • It is very kind of you. Thank you! -major(pine); 2001-1-2 (#20106@0)
            • welcome -guest:; 2001-1-2 (#20108@0)
      • english etc. -guest:guest; 2001-1-2 {333} (#20041@0)
        to be 100% honest, i disagree to your comment that finding a job is based on pure luck. i have a lot of counter-examples to prove you are wrong.:)

        your english needs improvement indeed. frankly again, I do not think your future will end up with a rosy american dream.

        btw, how many canadian and american cities have you been?
    • It totally depending on if your skill is enough solid, your ..... -colin(DoForYou.net); 2001-1-10 {1119} (#21129@0)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛It totally depending on if your skill is enough solid, your interpersonal skill and your characteristic can fit for challenge. actually, some of new immigrants got back after few months or few years hard working here. But, there are still have some settled finally. why they are totally different. My point of view, first of all ask for your experience in IT is solid or not, secondly, ask your interpersonal skill is enough open, and can facing difference environment different challenge. If all you said yes, one thing remain. Ask God if bless you. I dont think Canada do not a place fit for chinese people. Canada is the best living place in the world, people saying that I think it should have some reason. Why you didn't trust them. If you are a success one in Canada instead of China. I bet, the life here should be better than you stay in China. even your kids and spousal will enjoy with that stay. think about it, and have a good prepration, gonna be the best of your choice. English is most important for your life if you decided to go instead of stay. and High-tech knowledges are the same.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 我也被选为背景调查，是不是除了等待就没有任何办法？你怎么知道你就会拿到landing paper? yuann@yeah.net, can u connect me? -guest:mine; 2001-1-11 (#21208@0)
      • there must be a result about BC winthin 2. the immigration section has informed me to have ME and supply new good conduct certificate. -major(pine); 2001-1-11 (#21308@0)
        • can u make phone to me ? wannat to know sth about BC -guest:mine; 2001-1-19 {202} (#22398@0)
          can u make a phone call to me? my cellphone is 13974989603, and tell me sth about background checking? they informed me that i have to wait for 6 to 12 months for the result. was same with u?

          Thanks.
    • Pay a visit to Canada before making your final decision, if it's possible. -truecolor(truly); 2001-1-11 {556} (#21289@0)
      Think about it, when you shop for a cloth, you may visit stores many times and try the different ones, and immigration is a life time decision and why are so many people doing it so blindly?

      I think most people now can afford the trip and can find some way to visit Canada. If can't, then treat your first landing trip as a short visit rather than cutting off the road of returning.

      In a word, don't push yourself into the corner. Immigration is a risk thing to do, don't fall in love with it just because you invest so much time and money on it.
    • 如果想暴富就不要来加拿大。这里不能贪污受贿，坑蒙拐骗也不容易。但如果想踏踏实实做个人，想让自己病了有人管，老了有人养，受坏人欺负了有地方报案，还是来吧。创业是艰辛的，用不了几年，该享受的都会享受到的。 -northyork(North York); 2001-1-19 (#22447@0)
      • but you are always on the side of the city, of the community. Can you tell anybody you are canadian? NO, you are always Chinese. -pepperdine(hp); 2001-3-23 (#36385@0)
    • 我男友毕业于名校计算机,我还差一年也要毕业了.他为了移民加拿大,然后取道美国留学,从而放弃了继续读研的机会.而我也有留学美国的愿望.我们这样的选择合适么?那时取道美国会不会容易(他是一个编程高手,我自信自己也能靠计算机养活自己)? -swing(蓉蓉); 2001-3-23 (#36332@0)
    • don't come here -michael_wdz(michael); 2001-8-19 (#172834@0)
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