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  • 相约北美 / 移民留学 / 有谁知道有关Contract的薪水和待遇问题?
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛有谁知道有关Contract的薪水和待遇问题?
    1 代理推荐的工作,是不是代理从Contract的时薪中拿钱?

    2 如果Contract到期后Renew,想加工资,和Agent协商还是直接和雇主协商?Renew是不是就和Agent没有关系了?

    3 扣税是按每个Contract的时薪还是按照全年实际收入?

    4 前面有人提到Agent会从时薪中扣除健康保险GST等等之类的是怎么回事?有谁清楚吗?这些是否也要协商?什么时候协商呢?

    5 Contract是如何签约的?是要和雇主之间有个合同吗?

    总之,关于Contract的一切都想了解,有没有朋友可以贡献一点经验和建议的,感激不尽!

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    my case

    i work for my former employee as a consultant, involved VB/VC/COM+/XML/ASP/java stuff, I signed a ligal contract with them, no agent fees. no other benifits and insurace.
    since they dont know how much i will earn in this year so they do not charge the ei/cpp/tax from my check, but i will declare them in the earlier next year.

    in normal situation the agent would involve and get some money. in that case, the employee would not be reponsibilty for your benifts instead the agent will.

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    Differentiating between a contract worker and an employee:

    If a payer considers a worker as a self-employed individual while the worker is in fact an employee, the payer will have to pay both parts
    of EI premiums and CPP/QPP contributions for the complete duration of the employment. Penalties and interest can also be charged. It is
    therefore very important to correctly determine the type of employment relationship.

    http://www.royalbank.com/sme/guides/hr/contractquest.html#questionnaire

    Employee versus contract worker: your assessment

    The majority of your answers point to the payer or employer as having control.
    It is not likely that the payee is in a self-employed relationship to your company. Ignoring this could mean penalties and tax arrears for both the employer and the individual. Always seek advice from a professional accountant or business advisor to review your hiring plans and to get a better sense of whether or not you conform to Revenue Canada's guidelines for contract workers.

    For more information, you may want to consult Revenue Canada's
    [www.rc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/rc4110ed/rc4110ed-01.html#1.4%20.%20Integration]
    information on differentiating between a contract worker and an employee.

    http://www.royalbank.com/cgi-bin/sme/contract.pl

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    Is it important for me to file a claim within a certain time?

    确实有公司专门其负新来者不懂法或胆小不敢告。要学会保护自己,不能轻易地让坏人得意.祝你顺利。 洋人大公司里的坏人也不少
    Your employer should pay you CPP, and deduct EI and tax. Your employer also should pay benefits and insurance after 3 months probabtion period.

    No matter what ever you did such as signed a contract with your employer. Any contract should be legal. The relation between you and your employer is determinated by Revenue Canada only.
    If Revenue Canada considers you are not a contractor, You can file a claim by assist of Ministry of Labour to get back your money from your former employer in 6 months to 2 years.

    "Is it important for me to file a claim within a certain time?"

    Here is reference for two years to file a claim -- http://www.gov.on.ca/LAB/esa/esa_e/claim_e.htm(http://www.gov.on.ca/LAB/esa/esa_e/claim_e.htm):

    Two different time limits affect an employee's right to remedy under the
    ESA.

    Six-Month/One-Year Time Limit for Recovering Wages

    In most cases, an employee must file a written claim with the ministry
    within six months of the date when the employee's wages become due in order to recover those wages.

    Generally, wages become "due" to an employee on the employee's regular payday. However, if the employee's employment is terminated by the employer, all the money that the employer owes to the employee has to be paid either within seven days after the employee was terminated or on the employee's next regular payday, whichever is later.

    If, after beginning the investigation, an Employment Standards Officer finds that:

    an employer has repeatedly violated the same section of the ESA;
    AND at least one of the violations occurred in the six months before the
    claim was filed;

    the employee is entitled to recover all wages due for the repeated
    violations of the same section of the ESA in the 12 months before the
    complaint was filed.

    Two-Year Time Limit for Filing a Claim

    In some circumstances, an employee can file a claim up to two years after the date on which an employer contravened the ESA.

    This includes situations where an employer has violated the provisions
    dealing with leaves of absence, lie detectors, retail business
    establishments, and reprisals. Reprisals include situations where an
    employer has penalized or threatened to penalize an employee for exercising his or her rights under the ESA, including:

    - asking the employer to comply with the ESA;
    - asking questions about his or her rights under the ESA;
    - filing a complaint under the ESA;
    - exercising or trying to exercise a right under the ESA;
    - giving information to an Employment Standards Officer;
    - taking, planning to take, or will become eligible to take a pregnancy,
    parental or emergency leave;
    - being the subject of a garnishment order;
    - participating in a proceeding under the ESA or section 4 of the Retail
    Business Holidays Act;

    The two-year limit for filing a claim also applies where the employee
    believes an employer contravened a non-monetary section of the ESA; for example, the employer didn't give proper meal breaks or failed to provide wage statements. "

    You can not declare EI in the earlier next year instead of submit a application form to Revenue Canada to see if you are a real contractor or a employee.

    You can be employee of the agent for client of them. agency will pay you CPP,EI,INSURANCE and benefits.

    Here are three things you can do if you feel that you are being wrongfully dismissed.

    Do not sign anything until you are sure that the amount of notice you are getting is reasonable and fair. Do not accept a demotion or transfer if you do not feel it is justified. If you accept the money or a demotion or transfer without question, you may lose your right to sue if you later decide it was not enough or it was not fair.
    Start looking for a job right away, if you are dismissed. Even if you sue you employer and win, you have a duty to minimize your losses. Talk to a lawyer as soon as possible. Every wrongful dismissal situation is different and a lawyer can give you advice about what is reasonable and fair in your case.

    If you are not given notice on termination or termination pay, as required under the Act, the employer is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine of up to $50,000, six months in jail, or both. If the employer refuses to pay, contact your local Employment Standards Branch at the Ministry of Labour. Their staff has the authority to collect the amounts outstanding. Even if your employer has shut down the business or has declared bankruptcy, you should still contact the Employment Standards Office. A new program called "Employee Wage Protection Program" has monies available to satisfy wage claims in these circumstances and it is administered by the Employment Standards Branch.

    If the officer thinks that your employer might not have followed the Act, you may want to file a claim.

    A claim is a statement of how your employer broke the rules in the Employment Standards Act.

    In that case, your employer must pay you all wages owing within seven days of your last day of work. These amounts must include all vacation pay owing. Your employer must provide your "Record of Employment".If you are not given written notice, you must be paid termination pay, or pay in lieu of notice. Termination pay is a lump sum payment that is equal to the wages you would have been paid during the period of notice that the ESA specifies you receive. Your employee benefits must be continued for the same period.If your employer claims to have fired you for just cause and you dispute this, you may have a cause of action against your employer for wrongful dismissal. If that is your situation,
    you may want to refer to the Law Society's page on Wrongful Dismissal.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 你的Post太长,没时间看,但有一点我知道,Contract没有待遇,待遇我指Benefit之类的东东,像医疗保险,人生保险,眼镜等。
      • 对,independent contractor不是公司的员工,公司不需要支付各种福利,也不用帮contractor缴纳CPP,EI,Workers' compensation plan等等,(这也是公司找contractor的理由之一)
        所以在看合同的时候,要综合考虑这些因素来看开的价格合不合理,值不值得接受。
        • If a payer considers a worker as a self-employed individual while the worker is in fact an employee, employer will take advantage of all companies in canada for lower cost of man-power
          • 一般contract工作的时薪比较高,实际上已经考虑了休假,各种保险等因素,很多人都喜欢做contract的
            • Only Revenue Canada can determine the type of employment relationship. Not your employer. If you are contractor, you must have rights to hire sub-contractors to do your job
              Only Revenue Canada can determine the type of employment relationship. Not your employer. If you are contractor, you do not need to do the contract job by yourself, you must have rights to hire sub-contractors to do your job, you should have rights to set your working time, you should have rights to outsourcing that contract to another company... your "employer" is your client if you are contractor, you do not have manager if you are contractor. Nobody can order you to do job because everything what you need to do is just to complete that contract by anyway. You are not hired if you are contractor. Relation between you and your employer is business relationship if you are contractor
              • You have to know that contract employee is not exactly the same as contractor!!!
                • contract employee is permanent employee and employer set the working time, contract employee do not have rights to hire and will receive T4-slip
                • If you work for the agent as a employee, you agent will deduct EI, CPP etc from your pay check and you will recevie form T4
                  If you work for the agent as a employee, you agent will deduct EI, CPP etc from your pay check and you will recevie form T4. In this case you are not a contractor, you are an employee of your agent and only work on your agent's contract assigements which is a contract between your agent and the working company. For the status of income tax, you are dealing with your agent as an employee/employer relationship, nothing to do as a contractor.
              • 没错啊,你想说明什么?
                • If you are just contract employee, you have to go to work based on what you agreed with on the contract, you can hire people to do it but you still have to go to work, so what's point to hire?
                  • Any permanent staff is employee base on contract, so called "contract employee" , Employer has to pay CPP,EI for "contract employee"
                    "contract employee" has to do job by instruction of employer instead of hire people because "contract employee" do not have rights to hire people as they are neither self-employment nor contractor
              • If you already know, why you still post this posting? to show off?
                • I do not know the detail different from contractor to outsourcing, I am wondering why outsourcing rate normally 2 or 3 times more than contractor rate
                  • Because outsourcing, you deal with company. Company charged more because it has to rent space, administration fees, and those stuffs. And if anything bad with the program, they have to provide tech help.
                    • As contractor, you also deal with company (e.g. You and me share one corporation ltd and both are directors). contractors also has to rent space, administration fees, and those stuffs. I do not get your meaning.
                      As contractor, you also deal with company (e.g. You and me share one corporation ltd and both are directors). contractors also has to rent space, administration fees, and those stuffs. And if anything bad with the program, they have to provide tech help.
                  • with contractor, after contract, who give a damn.
                    • 确实有公司专门其负新来者不懂法或胆小不敢告considers a worker as a contractor while the worker is in fact an employee(公司的员工)。不帮公司的员工缴纳CPP,EI
                      确实有公司专门其负新来者不懂法或胆小不敢告considers a worker as a contractor while the worker is in fact an employee(公司的员工)。不支付各种福利,也不帮公司的员工缴纳CPP,EI,Workers' compensation plan等等,要学会保护自己,不能轻易地让坏人得意.祝你顺利。 洋人大公司里的坏人也不少
                      • I'm saying that the reason outsourcing is more expensive is because if you hire contract employee, after the contract is ended, the employee will go and don't give a damn.
                        • "contract employee" is permanent staff base on contract which is never ended. Everyone has rights to quit.contract employee only can be fired or laid-off.
                          • 偷鸡不着蚀了米,tele-stall/technion 不得不200% 付holidayPay(Zhuan)
                            偷鸡不着蚀了米,tele-stall/technion 不得不200% 付holidayPay
                            作者: 中国人
                            日期: 11-28-01 15:36

                            tele-stall/techniom 要求员工10月8日ThanksGiveDay工作,随后
                            拒付 50%的Holiday ExtraPay 。称:我们是美国公司,跟随美国的
                            holiday, 安排你们在美国holiday 休息 without pay . Don't Pay
                            Canadian Holiday ExtraPay .
                            被雇员投诉后,最后的结局:a day off with PAY .
                      • Understand? And with outsourcing to a company, the company also has to pay for administration fees itself, of course they will charge higher and they have after-sales service also cost money.
                        • I am confusing when company should choose outsourcing instead of contractor, I have provided a example inside for make things clear
                          For example, If My company hire 3 former IBM employees as contractor to complete one of my projects, It will cost $150 per hour for each, about 150*7.5=1125 per man-day. about 77K one month for the project.

                          But if My company going to outsourcing the project to IBM company, suppose they will send average 3 engineers per day to my company and it will cost 3500 per man-day, total 10500 per day, about 240K one month for the same project.

                          Do you see the different from 240K to 77K, Why
                          • See Inside
                            1. If you hire three ex-engineers, your product has no gurantee.
                            2. if you outsource to IBM, your product is gurantee.
                            3. If you hire contract employees, once the contract is over, they are gone.
                            4. if you outsource to IBM, if there are bugs, you can call them to fix it, free of charge since it's IBM's problem.
                            5. If you hire three ex-engineers, your product is developed among these 3 people.
                            6. if you outsource, your product is developed by a team of tester, designer, programmer, that fulfill the whole software cycle.
                            ..etc...
            • 一般时薪less than $65 per hour的人喜欢employee because 休假,各种保险等因素, 时薪more than $65 per hour的人喜欢做contractor because of tax saving is more than benefit.
              65K的人做 1 year contractor的时薪$80 per hour, 做 3 months contractor 的时薪$150, 时薪比较高,实际上考虑了Risk of waste time when between projects, not because 考虑了休假,各种保险等因素,一般时薪more than $65 per hour的人喜欢做contractor because of lower tax rate.
              • 哈哈,你知道的挺多嘛,那还问什么,反正我喜欢做contractor
                • It is very important to correctly determine the type of employment relationship,Ignoring this could mean penalties and tax arrears for both the employer and the individual.
                  http://www.royalbank.com/sme/guides/hr/contractquest.html#questionnaire
    • 我说的是General Case,也许有些公司会给Benefit.
      • 一个朋友刚当上电工,半年后27/hr, 作者: =56K 日期: 11-29-01 07:11
      • Human Rights Law in Canada
        Human Rights Law in Canada

        http://www.cdp-hrc.uottawa.ca/hrlc/perera1.html
        http://www.cdp-hrc.uottawa.ca/hrlc/perera2.html

        Ranjit Perera, a senior development officer with the Canadian International Development Agency (CIDA), filed two complaints with the Canadian Human Rights because he was fired and 被老板通知回家了,理由是不能满足工作要求.

        Now CIDA has to pay all $185K lawyer fee, Ranjit Perera's promotion is from serior to Associate Director General and his salary has to be increased from 63K to 98K ......