Topic: First job: beliefs - part 1 @枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum

工作学习 / 事业与工作 / First job: beliefs - part 1 -wincity(toad); 2009-6-8 {3167} (#5322595@0)

Your post is very good indeed and I agree with you on most part. -qulaopo(娶老婆); 2009-6-8 (#5322685@0)
I super agree with you. I understood this too late after I worked for many years. Dxxx. Anyway, hopefully nothing is too late. Would you give some advice to a guy who is rather smart and super hardworking like me? Thanks. -iwantcar_majia(iwantcar); 2009-6-8 (#5322778@0)

I used to work with a lot Chinese who are very smart in technology and extremely hard working but they failed to sell themselve to management. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-8 {2407} (#5322824@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛They often questioned how come someone else got promoted or someone else got bigger bonus. And they often blamed discrimination or poor English!

I am not saying technical skill is not important or English is useless. But I know a lot of immigrants who came from India or Eastern Europe whoes techncial skills is just so so and their English is as terrible as any average Chinese immigrants. But they got promoted much quicker than most Chinese workers.

The key is they know how to sell themsevles. Whenever, there is gathering that our VP or CIO is present, they are like bee to honey. Most Chinese just have their own group or don't bother to show up because they have works to do. Whereas our competitors take whatever opportunities to play golf, have coffee or just go out to smoke with the senior management.

During our regualr departmental meeting, I observed 2 extreme behaviors. On 1 end, some Chinese sit at the far end of the table and even I tried to give them opportunity to show off and asked them to discuss their project. They only speak for 10 seconds; highly summarised and they often head down and say it to the table rather to the people. The other extreme is those who are super confident. They would just talk and talk about their idea and never listen to other people's input and if their idea is not accepted, they would be very upset. Most projects in IT are team works and who is comfortable to work with such attritutes.

If you think your techical is already very strong and extremely hard working, then my suggestion is slow down a little bit; go to your boss's (or your boss's boss) office and discuss with him about what you are doing. Pretend you can't make up upir mind, and give him a few choices, discuss the pros and cons; and ask him to give you his preference. Talk to your user is also important, especially the head of users department. Helping coworkers is also good but somehow, your boss have to accidentaly discover your contributions. If you do something you are very proud of, why do you tell your boss and suggest that you want to share with the rest of your team or even other team by doing a presentation. Don't fogot to invite your boss's boss! He may never show up but he now know who you are and what you do.

Do not just work behind your computer! You have to stand on your table and let everyone know who you are!!!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

Be more concise, talk like an Indian. Be honest, promotion might bring more pressure than purely being a techy guy. -henryli2009(henryli2009); 2009-6-8 (#5322968@0)

you are damn right. I stepped down because I couldn't stand the heat and I don't think it is worth for that 20% increase. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-8 (#5323040@0)

Sorry to hear that. However if a Chinese can be on a director position, which means a 130K and 20% of bonus, plus stock options, if might worthwhile to suffer a fews years. -henryli2009(henryli2009); 2009-6-8 (#5323147@0)

I was in a director position and I had access to HR data so I know I was at 99 percentile in term of $$$ and my departnment head virtully put me in charge of everything from architecture to budget to project management. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-8 {202} (#5323385@0)
However, everyone even my dentist asked me to quit.

I earn much lesser $$$ but I am quite happy with my own startup company and I dream 1 day my 1 man company can do better when the economy recovers.

写的很好，很有深度。 -xbox360(big麻); 2009-6-8 (#5322921@0)
Agreed. Many people, even at Fortune 10 firms, don't know what they are doing. They make a living playing politics and being in the right place the right time. Pick a career carefully and work hard, you will come out on top. -into(into); 2009-6-8 {174} (#5323683@0)
"Most people...put in minimum effort in order to not get fired. Even with years...they may still don't understand the basic concepts let alone the big picture." Well said!