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  • 工作学习 / 外语学习 / Let me tell you something about this forum. I may offend some people, but it does not matter now, because I am leaving the forum, and I had my own fun. Thank you all. -nothanks(ciel); 2013-6-29 {2232} (#8269221@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Pronunciation and reading a short paragraph: Slowdownforrose and Winterstorm are good. But I never heard a speech or a long paragraph from them. Reading is not speaking. A lot of people can read well, but only a few can speak well. Goingconcern has a very cute British accent. Again, I don't now how she speaks.
    2. Writing. Winterstorm's writing is little bookish. I think he might be too conscious of English grammar. He could be great if not being chained by a certain way of writing. A really good one is Ordinaryone(ok). She did not write much here, but I know what she knows. I think Redneck is on a right track in learning English in his own way.
    3. Translation. Everyone has his/her own standard, based on his/her own understanding of English grammar and English words. It sounds funny, but it is true. You can keep arguing about it.

    I have spent over a year on this forum. I don't see much writing of any significance; do not hear readings of any significance, but arguing over everything of insignificance.

    I have 24 "native speakers" working for me. Two of them are second generation Chinese. All of them have a good education, possessing at least one college diploma or university degree. Most of them disappoint me in writing something as simple as an email or a memo without clarity. I keep hearing someone here saying something like "I will check with my native speaker colleagues". Boy, they may not be as good as you think they are.

    But there is one thing I have been learning from them and that is something I couldn't completely fix in any time soon. It is not about pronouncing words individually to perfection; it is more like orchestrating a symphony in which you are delivering a profound message in a combination of sound, tone, choice of words, and intonation; you are building a character, a personality and revealing your thoughts through those symbols that were created for that purpose. Writing to some extent reveals a writer's personality. Believe it or not, it doesn't lie. Whether you are writing in Chinese or in English, I "see" you.

    Can we speak better than native speakers? Honestly, I don't know. (please, don't quote me "Jerry") But, we will see.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • You will be missed! I respect and understand the decision you've made as I am just about to make a similar one: writing more love letters to my wife instead of wasting time on the arguments over the "insignificant things" here :) -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-6-29 {401} (#8269246@0)
      I believe that everyone has an ego, more or less. You have demonstrated that you are able to keep in check yours.

      It is absolutely encouraging for me to know that there is someone like you out there who has a dream and is also able to hold onto it.

      It's been an honor reading the articles written by a great writer like you. Your advices for me are greatly appreciated. I wish you all the best!
      • wow! 酱油哥这是对不谢哥敬若神明啊。想当初你们俩还打过架，真是让人感动啊。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 (#8269363@0)
        • 新马甲熟谙肉联历史啊. 赞一个. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269377@0)
          • 俺一直是酱油哥的粉丝。现在看他要走了，冒上来说几句粉话。知道你是他的死敌，希望你能海涵。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 (#8269395@0)
            • The sun still shines when you & I are not around. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269521@0)
              • 不懂。既然大家都要走了，俺说句真心话。自从酱油哥不谢哥上回打架，不谢哥没变，酱油哥变得越来越包容越来越大度了。你的变化也挺大。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 {16} (#8269701@0)
                越来越不老实了。
                • Yep, I am very opinionated, narcissistic and even a bit arrogant at times... I can't be wrong and I won't be wrong ever, period. Ha ha ha -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269703@0)
                  • 嗯。前半句说得还有点自知之明。看得出你是个贡献不足，捣乱有余的主。没什么本事倒是肯定的。 -99mm(远去的回忆); 2013-6-29 (#8269717@0)
                    • Did you get the job? I wish you did and I hope my interview tips did help you somewhat. If writing collision report is not the only responsibility of the position I strongly suggest you take it. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269721@0)
    • I don't like to comment, but only because you are leaving. Maybe you take this online thing too seriously that you feel the need to say goodbye, to me anyway. -woodypeony(squeal); 2013-6-29 {310} (#8269312@0)
      Just like our own language, the pronunciation and grammatically correct sentences can only go so far. It is ultimately what you say, the way you say to leave an impression. Our personalities will show through. Therefore, the comparing part should be removed to make it a perfect heartfelt exit speech. See you!
      • 说的好！英语也好。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 (#8269336@0)
        • 再加一个品好.应该是品学兼优. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269381@0)
    • 昭仓被迫跳下去了，唐塔现在也不得不跳下去，所以请想跳的就都跳下吧，你们倒是跳哇！我胡汉三会再回来的. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 {19} (#8269326@0)
      You will be missed.
      • 都是你不好。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 (#8269338@0)
        • 我真没用啊, 要学会捧臭脚, 是吧? -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 {49} (#8269350@0)
          下辈子也不会的. 我的标准比不谢哥的还要高. 哈哈哈,
        • 提醒一下这位崭新马甲，红卫兵常这么说。 -winterstorm(打酱油的); 2013-6-29 (#8269360@0)
          • 那个红卫兵就是一个煽风点火的角色，他的话你不要信。 -wuyong1922(无用); 2013-6-29 (#8269369@0)
            • 我也不信. 不过对有些人那可是刻骨铭心的. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269379@0)
    • The fact two people want to leave this forum indicates that there are something wrong with it. This is bad. -bcwjmw(John); 2013-6-29 (#8269440@0)
      • Because the sun still shines when I am not around you should take it easy in the worst part of town. 新ID会如雨后春笋. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269526@0)
        • Are you suggesting you are the part of the problems here by saying so? -bcwjmw(John); 2013-6-29 (#8269679@0)
          • Whatever you think doesn't make any differences. So just stop profiling / accusing a co-Rolian, relax and enjoy the long weekend. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269692@0)
            • I am not hostile to anybody at Rolia. It seems you treat any comment, suggestion and question made by me as a risk and threat, which make it very difficulty for me to continue a construction conversation with you. -bcwjmw(John); 2013-6-29 {42} (#8269702@0)
              Who needs relax is you rather than others.
              • I see. How many times did I reply to your posts? Unless you use another ID. Which is your other ID? So relax, just relax. -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269705@0)
                • what exactly is this board for? instead of improving English, I only see arguments. -stressfree(winter); 2013-6-29 (#8269785@0)
              • 跟他＂讨论＂纯属浪费时间，这位老兄大概不太了解这个Id, 此人与不久前消失的＂thornhorn" 惊人相似，唯一不同的就是Id. 党同伐异，胡搅蛮缠是他的唯一能耐。 -wind999(Wind); 2013-6-29 (#8269864@0)
                • 酱粉好! -redneck(Cracker); 2013-6-29 (#8269870@0)
          • You said it. A certain ID is killing time by stirring up contradictions to gain his own fun through nonsense, guff, and falsehood. What I can say was...his life could be somehow ruined. Everyone here is supposed to show such ID a pity in lieu of scorn. -xinan13(legend); 2013-6-29 (#8269932@0)
            • The show goes on with endless new IDs. My predictions are now proven true. Welcome aboard! -redneck(Cracker); 2013-7-2 {16} (#8269995@0)
              酱油哥的新艾嫡。
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