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  • 枫下茶话 / 政治经济 / “把人民的钱还给人民” -sailor(Sailor); 2001-5-29 {2593} (#84193@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛　　经过多日冗长、激烈的国会辩论，5月23日，参议院终於通过了布什总
    统减税一兆三千五百亿美元的议案（在这之前众议院已通过），从而成为
    自1981年里根总统上任第一年大幅减税之后，20年来首次最大一次减税。
    部署飞弹防御系统，使美国人民绝对安全；减税，把人民的钱还给人民，
    是布什竞选总统时就承诺的两项主要目标。这次参众两院通过减税议案，
    是布什以及他所属的美国右翼共和党的重大胜利，是左翼民主党的一次重
    挫。美国左派媒体旗舰《纽约时报》为此发表社论，诅咒减税方案将给美
    国带来「灾难」，可见左派的疼痛。

    　　是否减税，不仅在美国，也在西方其他工业国家是左派和保守派激烈
    辩论的焦点。它不仅涉及经济，而实质上反映左、右派理念的不同。

    　　80年代初，英国保守党领袖撒切尔首相和美国共和党籍总统里根领导
    了一场被称为「金色紧身衣」（The Golden Straitjacket）的经济革命，
    提出减少经济规定，限制政府权力，降低税收，削减福利，经济充分私有
    化、自由化，市场化。这种经济理念来自亚当斯密的《国富论》和哈耶克
    的《通向农奴之路》——主张政府不得干预经济，应由“看不见的手”，
    即市场规律调解。

    　　里根出任总统后，提出的第一个重大议案就是减税。认为只有减税，
    让人民手里有钱，才能增加购买力，促进更多中小企业的出现和成长；只
    有减税，才可抑制政府规模的膨胀，实现小政府、大社会；只有减税，才
    能刺激经济更自由，更灵活，更有活力；只有减税，才能迫使政府削减庞
    大的福利，改变养懒汉的制度。

    　　正由於里根坚定地实行减税、削减福利、小政府的经济政策，才为今
    天美国连续120个月的经济扩张和繁荣期提供了坚实基础。美国经济目前是
    全球最好的之一，失业率上个月是四点五（去年降到三点九）。撒切尔夫
    人以私营化为核心的经济改革，也为英国今天的繁荣奠定了基础。英国经
    济目前是欧洲最好的之一，失业率才是三点七。而欧洲其他实行福利社会
    主义政策、拒绝里根和撒切尔主义的国家，大多经济滞缓。法国的失业率
    达百分之九，德国是百分之八，瑞典是百分之七。

    　　布什总统以减税为核心的经济改革，已成为自由世界的一面旗帜。在
    意大利，最近国会大选中，执政五年的左派政府被结束，以强调经济改革
    著称的右翼媒体大亨贝鲁斯科尼出任了总理。贝鲁斯科尼的主要目标之一
    是减税，要把目前意大利税收最高等级从43减至33，一次削去10个百分点
    （布什原计划把美国最高等级税收从39点6削减至33，但由於左派民主党议
    员阻挠，被迫妥协，仅减至36）。在日本，同样强调要大刀阔斧改革经济
    的小泉纯一郎当选首相后，提出的第一个改革目标是要把囊括储蓄在内的
    日本庞大的国营邮局私营化，并对经济进行机构性改革。在墨西哥，去年
    大选中执政71年的一党统治被结束，强调自由经济的右翼候选人福克斯出
    任总统。美国、意大利、墨西哥、日本执政的右翼领袖，都是以大幅度减
    税、削减福利、充分市场化，推动经济全球化为旗帜。

    　　“把人民的钱还给人民”，这是布什在竞选时强调减税方案的口号之
    一。它作为美国精神的一个组成部份，正在向全球放射，并获得耀眼的回
    响。(曹长青, 5月25日於纽约)更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 希望加拿大能紧跟美国佬屁股!!!!! -guest:; 2001-5-29 (#84223@0)
      • nod. The tax is really a bid headache! -sailor(Sailor); 2001-5-29 (#84231@0)
      • Canada has no room for tax cut. It has to pay off huge debts with huge taxes -judylu(Judy); 2001-5-29 (#84423@0)
        • not true. US has huge debts too. -sw989(Londoner); 2001-5-31 (#86450@0)
    • 得让克雷第安学学这篇文章。 -rollor(Rollor); 2001-5-29 (#84523@0)
      • 如果加拿大减税以后福利调整到好像中国一样,不知道还会有多少人会这么积极的办理移民?高税收高福利也许有它存在的合理性,并非都像美国那样才是最好,可以看到很多低税收国家也并非经济很发达 -danielli(热干面); 2001-5-30 (#84987@0)
        • 别担心。大多数独立移民不是冲着福利来的，正相反，我们很少看得起那些无家可归者等等靠社会救济生活的人（一种歧视现象）。我自己很讨厌那些为了申请托儿补助而设法降低存款额的做法（尽管我也有那么做的欲望）。如果没有这些不合理的福利，社会将更美好。 -rollor(Rollor); 2001-5-30 (#85035@0)
          • 什么事情都是适度最好，也许我比较中庸吧。。。 -danielli(热干面); 2001-5-30 (#85669@0)
    • 人民政府钱是取之于民用之于民 -guest:; 2001-5-29 (#84537@0)
    • 就是阿, 为什么美国税那么低能存在, 加拿大就不行呢? 要说赤字, 美国也不比加拿大少. -guest:; 2001-5-29 (#84540@0)
      • 去年美加的政府财政都没有赤字！加拿大也在减税，不过不多，而且多仑多市在增税 -guest:; 2001-5-29 (#84545@0)
        • 不是财政赤字,是巨额国债. 而且美国和加拿大不同的地方是福利,医疗制度方面. -luoboyang(萝卜秧); 2001-5-30 (#85005@0)
      • 美国的所得税和加拿大根本就差不多,也就是消费税好多洲只要7-8%,加拿大要15% -guest:MONEY; 2001-5-30 (#85023@0)
        • I guess you are not talking about Canada because Canada does not charge you 15% sales tax. Please note that GST is only 7% and another 8% is PST which some province like Alberta does not collect. -hearts(hearts); 2001-5-30 (#85056@0)
        • Have you ever been to US? I just got my first pay check here in Dallas, tax+medicare+SS only takes up 26% of my gross salary. When I was in Canada, they took 42% off my income, and I make 50% more here than in Canada. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-31 (#86469@0)
          • but to most average candian family income around 50000$,the income tax is no big diffrence.Even in canda,it's lower income tax than US.I saw this chart in Toronto star before. -guest:Guest; 2001-5-31 (#86485@0)
            • yeah, for lower tax bracket, Canada is pretty much the same as US. The culprit for Canadian tax disaster is the surtax, which can bring tax rate for higher income portion to 52%. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-31 (#86513@0)
          • Tell us something about you and lumlum's new life in US. -bloor(不算太老); 2001-5-31 (#86489@0)
            • hehe, we just settled down. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-31 {379} (#86520@0)
              I hope we can get all furnictures dilivered today. The house is too big(3000 squre feet), and lumlum is busy cleaning it up. Things are a big more expensive than Toronto, about the same in Ottawa, but the houses are nice, big and cheap. They have very nice steaks here in Dallas, but we both miss Toronto's chinese food.Lumlum might come online tonight. Talk to you guys later
          • I am just curious about your salary. you said you are in the 42% tax bracket in canada, so it means, you earned at least C$120k per year. (Revenue canada has the software to calculate the payroll deduction, 120k/y payroll deduction 40%). -guest:salary; 2001-5-31 {340} (#86616@0)
            if you earn 50% more than you did in canada, your salary now will be around C$180K, let's convert to USD, which is round USD120K. Based on the U.S. payroll calculator in Texas(no state tax), the payroll deduction is around 33%. For those who are interested in the u.s. tax, pls go to www.paycheckcity.com to do some calculation yourselves.
            • hehe, smart guy. I don't know what's going on. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-31 {444} (#86630@0)
              The money deducted from my pay check was lower than I have expected. I was worried that I might need to pay extra tax when filing claims next year. But after I checked the MSNBC Tax calculator, it looks okay, if you make 120k a year and you are single, you pay 30095 as Fed tax, which is about 25%. I think there must be a discrepency between your software and the MSNBCs, here is the link: http://www.msnbc.com/modules/budget/tcalculator.asp.
            • oh, I know what's going on. -numnum(numnum); 2001-5-31 {296} (#86640@0)
              I just tried out your calculator. The deduction includes SS and medicare, our company pays for my medicare, and SS is a bit lower, because they have considered the fact that I have paid off all the canadian EI premium for year 2001 in Canada in the past 5 months, that's what makes a difference.
              • social security is american equivalent of canada's CPP, I don't think two countries will share their retirement planning system even though canada has been pretty much americanized. -guest:salary; 2001-5-31 {143} (#86680@0)
                if your company pay medicare for you, it will be added to your taxable income as a sort of benefit income, which again will boost your tax rate
          • it just means your salary is too low. -free_rolia(mot); 2001-5-31 (#86790@0)
    • 别被蒙了，布什的减税计划受益者主要是富人。在和戈尔的竞选辩论中，就有观众问他：‘我年收入五万，无dependent，如何从你的减税计划中受益？’ 布什竟无言以对。 -dilbert(UCD); 2001-5-30 (#85067@0)
      • That's true. But there are two more questions to answer. Who need the tax relief the most and who can creat more opportunities from the tax relief? -hearts(hearts); 2001-5-30 (#85092@0)
      • 布什的计划当然是有利于富人的。他所属的家族和党派的利益。所以大家都要竞选做总统，谁会以为他真的会为人民服务？我们呢，谁来代表我们的利益？ -carolgu(园丁); 2001-5-30 (#85622@0)
        • 寻找代言人或挺身而出，不一定是总统/总理/议员，社区的公职都应该去争取(如果和你有相关利益)。记住“国际歌”里唱的“从来就没有救世主，也不靠神仙皇帝......" -dilbert(UCD); 2001-5-31 (#86422@0)
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