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  • 工作学习 / IT杂谈 / To 飞翔的鱼 -jabber(jabber); 2001-6-6 {821} (#92014@0)
    Thank you for your comments on my posting. Indeed, I hope you don't get emotional at my postings. I failed those job candidates for some reasons, good or bad. When I was turned down, and when I lost my job, no employeer showed sympathy on me. This is the rule of game. I am justing playing games according rules. If you were at my position, probably you would not be more reasonable that I am. I posted all these things simply for offering some examples for people to analyze. I would be happy to be a target for those friends who are huting for jobs. However, plesse don't direction weapons at me... :-) :-)....Except for Jabber, who would like to post these insider scoops about hiring people? If you try to see the positive information in my posting, y ou will see overlook something you don't feel good.
    • not be too serious. Most friends know you are warm-hearted guy. Of course, we have to fit to job hunting style. Chating is another story. don't exit. -guest:new immi; 2001-6-6 (#92056@0)
    • 给您的回复 -guest:飞翔的鱼; 2001-6-6 {838} (#92112@0)
      您的本意是给大家提供多点的信息，您这是好意，您尽管继续，这里很多人也都欢迎。我昨天说的一些话我也郑重向您道歉。

      但是我就您的那篇帖子，我仍旧是保留我的意见。在中国的时候也曾有简历从我手上走过，那时候，想到自己被人拒绝的时候的沮丧，说实在的，我心里有种莫名其妙的快感。那时候是年轻，现在看了这么多人在异乡艰难的求生，确实不会再有那种想法。

      您拒绝某些求职者确实是因为您的工作需要，我非常理解，但是如果换了我是您的话，我就让这件事悄然过去就算了，不会再拿出来说。这件事的感觉就象，一个在野外饥饿的人抓了一只兔子，虽然兔子很可爱，但是为了裹腹还是把它吃了。吃完以后还回到朋友中间讲述是怎样杀之，拔毛，考熟，吃掉的。美其名曰介绍野外生存经验及野味的做法。

      您确实是一个有很多知识有丰富经验的人，但您昨天帖子里那份冷酷和自得确实我不能接受。

      就说到这里。实话实说，得罪冒犯之处请鉴谅。另外，绝对是对事不对人，请不要误会。
      午安
      飞翔的鱼敬上
      • 哈哈， 同意！ -yellow(yellow); 2001-6-6 (#92125@0)
      • Among others, you are not at fault and you don't need apologize -jabber(jabber); 2001-6-6 {3677} (#92204@0)
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Do you think I am cruel or cold-blooded? Yes and No. I was born in a small poor village so I have been fighting for my survival. I have only 1 year and 7 months of professional programming experiences, but I can say I have understood the game rule for a programmer. As I tried to enter the field, nobody would like to give a job because I have a good potential, becasue I am smart or not stupid, because I have a Ph. D., because I need money to support my family, because I need a job to keep my legal immigration status.... As I was pissed off, who cared for me?

        One thing I need to explain to you. I am not in Canada now, but in Virginia, USA. I don't feel gulity in turning down those two candidates.
        For that Chinese candidate, I feel very disappointed because it is I who decided to walk him in--- I lost my face. I don't face the thorny issue your mentioned---facing a lot of immigration candidates as in Toronto.
        Everyday, some people are losing their jobs in my area. Whenever people talk about this, my response is "Does this guy have a green card?". If people told me that some H1-B holder lost their jobs, I feel very bad. If it is those American citizens or green card holders, I always tell myself: "Don't worry about them, they have made enough money!".
        Why do I show my sympathy on H1-B holdes? Because they are unprotected in the USA and I am one of them.

        If you think I am arragant in posting these things, it is kind of misunderstanding. I know who I am and I am a defensive driver.
        In your words, I am not killing some rabbitts----both candidates are not desperate new immigrants in Canada or in USA. Actually, I intended to push that PH. D holder ... That 20-years-of-experience guy is obviously overqualified for our position and I was very humble in questioning such
        a veteran... Put it in another way, if I posted such stories about two new immigrants in Canada, I should be counted as cold-blooded and should be damned. Indeed, if I turned two new immigrants in Toronto, I did not think I have courage to post the story unless I get crazy. Hope you think this is an acceptable explanation. In other words, even we don't like those two candidates, they definitely will get offers from somewhere else. They are not rabbitts...:-) :-)

        Actually, I have been trying to help people. I am still associated with a consulting company. Just two weeks ago, we welcomed two new colleagues from China. One of my tasks in the evening is to help them to prepare for job interviews. (Because of the poor market, we haven't secured a single interview for them.) I bombed them using English questions and teach them how to defend themselves. On Monday, one of colleagues lost his job . I myself lost my in April and stayed at home for 3 weeks (I published this in this forum). During that three weeks, I had only one interview and it is one of my students who secured it for me! She helped me simply because I have been helping her. Without her help, maybe I am still jobless. I know many new immigrants in Canada are struggling for jobs ---- I hope my examples can give some hints... Although I cannot sign the offer letter, but I do have opportunites to see how a job offer is made. There are a lot of misunderstandings among job hunters from China... For instance, my co-worker told me the following story: One of her friends in church asked her for our boss's phone. This guy is a Ph. D. in Computer Science. Of course, he is good and he is confident. He wants to get our boss's phone number and call directly to inquire how much salary we can afford....
        I appreciate your frankness.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
        • 理解 -foureyecatcat(飞翔的鱼); 2001-6-6 (#92320@0)
          • 看了两位的对答，觉得两位都挺不错的，感触也挺多，不过没时间灌水。。。 -danielli(热干面); 2001-6-7 (#92825@0)
        • 好兄弟，别说了，我知道大家都不容易。 -rumba(rumba); 2001-6-6 {269} (#92420@0)
          我有一个同学，也是原来在美国学物理的，每次都是叫我们“小娃娃”。说我们是生活在天堂里，不知道地狱的苦，遇到一点小挫折就叫苦。刚开始还以为这家伙在装老气横秋，但几次聊天后，知道当年他在美国真的不容易。但我很为他感到高兴的是，经过不懈的努力，现他已做到CIBC的MAGNAGER 职位。
          • I could not help following your posting -jabber(jabber); 2001-6-6 {495} (#92545@0)
            One of my friends came to US 10 years ago. She told me she began to work at restaurants the second day she arrived. At that time, the only English she understood is "What;s your name?" and the only English she could speak is " Do you have positions available?" She was fired the very first day she beagn to work.

            As I was jobless before I got the first programmer, I often woke up at 1:am in the morning... As I began to hunt for jobs, I was so nervous that all of my back got wet.
            • I felt Jabber's character is just like my old father so sometimes I could understand. My father is very diligent, serious, talented but sort of uneased. -ely(Ely); 2001-6-6 (#92564@0)
              • Sounds like your father is a PH.D. too. -winterblue(winterblue); 2001-6-6 (#92605@0)
                • It doesn't matter.I mean the character. Even the favor of teaching and sharing as well as the pride of doing that. and as I said, the sense of burden -ely(Ely); 2001-6-6 (#92615@0)
            • You are a nice guy but you must be careful when you post something like "I failed two job cadidates today". -coolguy(coolguy); 2001-6-7 {323} (#93211@0)
              Just from this article, I feel your English is pretty bad.
              You just don't know how to explain your thought in
              a better way. It's not grammer, words or something else.

              Communications skill is not easier to grasp. Say something
              before you think twice. Using general words is better than
              using the words in details.
              • Among all the postings that follow my original one, yours is thoughtful. I thank you sincerely for your comments. -jabber(jabber); 2001-6-7 (#93285@0)
    • 对待新移民象春天般的温暖； 对待ROLIA网友象夏天般的火热； 对待国内准移民的某些幻想象秋风扫落叶一般； 对待不合格的CANDIDATE象冬天般的冷酷无情。 —— 摘自《Jabber日记》 -heater(肠子); 2001-6-6 (#92437@0)
      • 不许搞笑，呵呵。 -pandora(Sarah); 2001-6-6 (#92440@0)
        • Why not? I just opened a Pandora's box . -jabber(jabber); 2001-6-6 (#92521@0)
          • 恩？我……害怕。 -pandora(Sarah); 2001-6-6 (#92574@0)
      • 三个月以前你是被当作秋天对待的；现在你是被当作夏天对待的；过一段时间你就会被当做春天对待，因为你登陆了；最后在你找到工作之前你是被当作冬天对待的。需要心理素质：) -pyramid(金字塔); 2001-6-6 (#92573@0)
        • 忽冷忽热爱感冒，还需要身体素质。 -bingle(bingle); 2001-6-6 (#92627@0)
          • 从今儿起，临睡前喝的牛奶由一杯改为二杯，以便增肥。 -pyramid(金字塔); 2001-6-6 (#92633@0)
            • 小心尿炕。 -heater(肠子); 2001-6-6 (#92653@0)
            • 还可以洗肠子：} -danielli(热干面); 2001-6-7 (#92821@0)
            • 画大大大地图了了不得 -guest:buddy; 2001-6-7 (#93241@0)
            • I have no choice because it is most happy times now. After landing I believe it will be really winter soon. If we don't exercise ourself like bingle said, who know what will happened. -pyramid(金字塔); 2001-6-7 (#93282@0)
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