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I don't know the wholesale price TODAY! Maybe today the wholesale price comes down,

jeffrey815(Smartiecat)

who knows. The point I am trying to make is with a variable rate you could be paying thousands for the whole summer depending on the grid. Looking at just a point-in-time price is pointless because it is a variable price that is changing all the time. What about CTV news or Reuters?

As Texas struggles to recover from a deep freeze that has killed dozens, some customers in Texas like Upshaw are facing unprecedented price hikes in their energy bills as a result of the recent snow storm. Texas officials say they are investigating.
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https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/texans-faced-with-thousands-of-dollars-in-electric-bills-after-winter-storm-1.5317797
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Last Updated: 2021-6-20
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  • 枫下沙龙 / 谈天说地 / 德州人民又迎来天价电费。美国多地高温突破历史记录，菲尼克斯47℃，拉斯维加斯45℃，更有地方到达51℃. 由于用电紧张，得州电价飙升至2000美元/兆瓦时。 -34weston(Aaron); 2021-6-20 (#13793540@0) +2
    • 前几天有新闻说中国围剿新疆内蒙的比特币挖矿企业，一部分企业转移到美国德州，我就纳闷德州的电够不够。 -haploidus(今剩叹); 2021-6-20 (#13793611@0) +2
      • 现在得纳闷挖矿的能不能回本 -big-foot-is-a-joke(big-foot-is-a-joke); 2021-6-20 (#13793780@0) +1
      • 干嘛不去冰岛，电费便宜气候凉爽。 -curve(curve); 2021-6-20 (#13794649@0) +1
    • 德州人民去上访了没有？躺平了没有？天天重复新闻联播最后五分钟累不累。 -winstons(逗逗兔毛加斯瑞毛); 2021-6-20 (#13793682@0) +20
    • 前段时间冻得下雪，现在热得着火，德州真是冰火两重天。 -bottom(核桃夹子); 2021-6-20 (#13793840@0) +1
    • 小CASE， 德州人有钱 -keysi(K.S); 2021-6-20 (#13793849@0) +1
    • 兆瓦时和千瓦时是什么关系？ -zx1123(123); 2021-6-20 (#13793851@0)
      • 1MWh=1000kWh -guestagain(guest again); 2021-6-20 (#13793858@0)
    • 9.4 cent per kwh, right now. Houston, Texas. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 {195} (#13793961@0) +6


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      • 许多地方都装了太阳能啊 -yuhangyuan(Astranaut); 2021-6-20 (#13793987@0) +1
      • 感谢老大辟谣。楼主经常在此造谣惑众。 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794010@0) +12
        • I think the OP just copied the information from a wrong place. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 (#13794015@0)
          • No. You guys are talking about different things. You are quoting a "fixed-rate" plan and OP was posting a whole sale rate. For customers that are NOT on a "fixed-rate" plan, -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 {89} (#13794033@0) +1
            their cost will skyrocket as the spike in wholesale rate will pass thru to end customers.
            • Link please. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 (#13794044@0) +3
            • 12.9 cents per kwh, variable rate. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 {195} (#13794069@0) +1


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              • Variable rate you are only quoting a point-in-time where the rates change all the time. Look at it at the time of the spike. People in Texas during the winter storm were getting bills over 10K a month. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 {146} (#13794073@0)
                "For customers whose electricity prices are not fixed and are instead tied to the fluctuating wholesale price, the spikes have been astronomical."
                • Isn't it true that right now is the high price time, according to the original post? At such a high time the price is 12.9 cents per kilowatt hour. By the way I don't read New York Times, neither do I have an account to read it. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 (#13794087@0) +1
                  • I don't know the wholesale price TODAY! Maybe today the wholesale price comes down, -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 {1337} (#13794100@0) +2

                    who knows. The point I am trying to make is with a variable rate you could be paying thousands for the whole summer depending on the grid. Looking at just a point-in-time price is pointless because it is a variable price that is changing all the time. What about CTV news or Reuters?

                    As Texas struggles to recover from a deep freeze that has killed dozens, some customers in Texas like Upshaw are facing unprecedented price hikes in their energy bills as a result of the recent snow storm. Texas officials say they are investigating.
                    Full Story:
                    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/texans-faced-with-thousands-of-dollars-in-electric-bills-after-winter-storm-1.5317797
                    • So your Reuter link does prove that the OP was misinformation. -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 (#13794144@0) +2
                      • why? look at the link posted below by iamflying. The price spiked up 30 times from 20 to 600 in June 15. Your post of quoting a single price for variable rate plan is MORE misleading. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 (#13794162@0) +1
                    • 各个时段的批发价在这里 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794145@0) +3
            • 所以德州新的legislation要求居民用户不可以on index -aalca(aal); 2021-6-20 (#13794642@0)
    • 今天开始会降点温吧 -tyra(笨Tyra); 2021-6-20 (#13794102@0)
    • 这种讨论还是要给出英文报道的出处，路透社： In Texas, real-time ERCOT prices soared to over $2,000 per megawatt hour at several pricing hubs, due to surging demand. -keysi(K.S); 2021-6-20 (#13794141@0) +1
      • 最近几天的分时段价格都可以查到，电费真的很便宜。 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794151@0) +3
        • 我们是讨论楼主的话题 -keysi(K.S); 2021-6-20 (#13794154@0) +1
      • This shows that it's important to get a fixed rate. Don't know how long the $2000 rate lasted. A minute? An hour? The highest rate in jeffrey815's link is only $400 on Tuesday. And that's the "highest". -sailor(Ocean & Mountain); 2021-6-20 (#13794156@0) +1
        • 15号出现了超过500元的时候，也就15分钟。价格偏高存在了几个小时。说明智能分时用电可能很重要。 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794163@0) +2
        • It doesn't matter whether it last a min or an hour. The point is it did surge to that level. If someone says the price of gas surge to 2 dollar a litre, it doesn't matter it is for a day or a month. That statement is a FACT and ACCURATE. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 (#13794176@0) +2
          • "由于用电紧张，得州电价飙升至2000美元/兆瓦时"。这段话并没有加上时间限定，所以可以认为是描述发帖当前的价格。显然这是错误的。 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794196@0) +6
            • 不觉得这有啥问题。如果有人说汽油价格飙升到2元一litre，大家要付高油价。我觉得这statement没有问题。你可以说不严谨，但并不是错的。就连路透社不也这样说嘛?"real-time ERCOT prices soared to over $2,000 per megawatt hour" -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2021-6-20 (#13794212@0)
              • 有问题，因为外面汽油价格不是2元/L。时态错了，这个论述就是错的。用一般时态，就是表述目前电价持续2000美元/兆瓦。 -iamflying(叶和花); 2021-6-20 (#13794228@0) +5
          • 以点带面就是这个意思。只看最高值，不看平均值。马云是中国首富，说明其他中国人的财富也和他的差不多。 -zx1123(123); 2021-6-20 (#13794197@0) +4
        • 还有一个更有趣的报道 Texas homes heat up as power companies alter smart thermostats -keysi(K.S); 2021-6-20 {723} (#13794210@0) +2
          Texas homeowners have discovered their homes are getting warmer despite the use of air conditioning, with the discovery that energy companies are remotely adjusting the thermostat to higher temperatures with minimal warning.
          Full Story:
          https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/20/texas-homes-heat-up-as-power-companies-alter-smart-thermostats
    • 关键不是价格，是冬天大停电后做了哪些改善？一个电网冷的时候不行，热也不行，到底什么时候行？ -bluesky2011(君子于役); 2021-6-20 (#13794243@0)
      • 不行的时候肯定是在停电检修。国内不都这么解释的嘛。 -zx1123(123); 2021-6-20 (#13794244@0) +1
        • 国内对停电时间有硬指标的,比如三级负荷(农村居民用电)去年是13.72小时/户,德州光冬天就远不止这个数了 -bluesky2011(君子于役); 2021-6-20 (#13794673@0)

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