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Because the price usually moves zig zag. In the procees, for a 2x etf, gain is always < loss.

renchong(人虫)
A extreme example
a stock price 10
a 2x ETF based on this stock,
one day price is up to 15, 50% gain, your 2x ETF 100% gain.
next day stock price drop to 10, 50% loss, 2x ETF 100% loss = 0
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Last Updated: 2009-8-27
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  • Sold ALL HNU@2.66 -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102599@43)
    • sold HNU@2.64,庄家总是比我狠。今天早晨17.6出HND，后来涨到18.6.感觉老是喝汤，吃不到肉哇。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102604@43)
      • 因为你三心二意. 我也一样, 早上埋单short HND还果真在高位成交了, 在18临时出了等着收盘再接回来. 现在这个悔呀, 又图小便宜了, 现在接也不是不接又不甘心. 以后我再犯这种错误就剁手!. -ccloafer(瓦盆洗手888); 2009-8-27 (#102609@43)
        • 忍不住17.10又进了点HND，大家祝福我吧。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102610@43)
          • 没问题，兄弟． -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102613@43)
            • 谢谢了。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102629@43)
              • 别过夜，每天白天搞就可以了。 -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102633@43)
                • 庄家设定的规则就是这样，有收益的时候，风险也大些。历史上天然气出现过负价格，怕啥？ -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102642@43)
          • 明天疼啊 -allstar09(morningstar); 2009-8-27 (#102621@43)
            • DT. 没问题的 -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102625@43)
            • 连续3天HND都是半夜涨，今天打算再和庄家赌一晚上。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102632@43)
              • 晚上可以操作？ -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102636@43)
                • 拿在手里过夜啊。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102637@43)
                  • 有种，兄弟。这种2x short ETF我是不敢过夜的。 -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102639@43)
    • 刚一卖，爆发了． -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102606@43)
      • 小弟是被套，赌了补。只能有耐心。成本现在是3块2，还是很深呀。 -bricksonly(天天歇菜，时时挨砖); 2009-8-27 (#102612@43)
        • 兄弟．这个是2x ETF, 凶险，Decay 非常厉害.出水就跑吧. DT就可以了 -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102617@43)
          • I had this for long time, I actually never know what the company of this stock is...Am I the only one being so ignorant??? -bugatlarge(hy); 2009-8-27 (#102624@43)
            • This is not a company. it's a 2x tool to track natural gas future price movement. This is for trading ONLY!!!!!!!. Eventually, it will go to ZERO. -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102630@43)
              • Please advise why eventually it will go to zero??? Thanks!!! -bugatlarge(hy); 2009-8-27 (#102653@43)
                • Because the price usually moves zig zag. In the procees, for a 2x etf, gain is always < loss. -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 {192} (#102659@43)
                  A extreme example
                  a stock price 10
                  a 2x ETF based on this stock,
                  one day price is up to 15, 50% gain, your 2x ETF 100% gain.
                  next day stock price drop to 10, 50% loss, 2x ETF 100% loss = 0
                  • See. so basically, you are saying this is a 100% leveraged investment., high risk and high return. The price will not necessarily going south eventually...so I can live with that... thank you for the explain. -bugatlarge(hy); 2009-8-27 (#102666@43)
                    • for trading, not investment. because in a long run, future price is alway up and down. -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102669@43)
                      • So how high do u think it would go in the short term? 3? 4? -bugatlarge(hy); 2009-8-27 (#102673@43)
                        • i don't know. I don't have HNU. i only DT it now. i think 3 is possible. but 4 is pretty hard -renchong(人虫); 2009-8-27 (#102675@43)
            • 你拿手上这么久，连是啥股都不管，有种！ -bricksonly(天天歇菜，时时挨砖); 2009-8-27 (#102634@43)
              • I know I just followed you guys blindly -bugatlarge(hy); 2009-8-27 (#102648@43)
        • 要是我，现在就跑了, 所以我总是喝汤。 -szs11(Hedge); 2009-8-27 (#102619@43)
          • 你是体育健将，笑话本小龟。 -bricksonly(天天歇菜，时时挨砖); 2009-8-27 (#102623@43)
    • is everybody ready? if HNU closes higher tomorrow(green). it is the time to enter. -allstar09(morningstar); 2009-8-27 (#102650@43)
    • 2.45 now. day low 2.4 -can2000(can); 2009-8-28 (#102897@43)

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