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The market was trying to find a bottom in the last two weeks.

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛After Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley posted better-than-expected losses, financial sector had a brief rally. Some investors are seeing the end of the massive write-downs by investment banks. Still, investors were nervous. There's rumor Lehman Brothers had liquidity problems too. Here's a joke. Last week traders got a word Lehman would make a anouncement, and they traded the stock down 4%. It turned out to be a anouncement for a high-level new hiring, not a big write-down.

Anyway, it might be safe to say financial sector is seeing a bottom if there's no next Bear. There are still many uncertainties in the overall economy. The official recession calls for two straight negative quarters of GDP growth, but the institution may not strictly follow this definition to declare a recession. Economic data were mixed at the time. GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2007 was 0.6%. Consumer spending nearly stalled in February, but personal income was unexpectedly higher. The market is closely watching out for the employment data coming in next week.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 高盛明确表态:中国A股熊市已定
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛证指数持续下跌,被套股民极度郁闷。

    “A股很明显是熊市了,所谓的奥运行情至多就是反弹出局的机会。”高盛中国首席策略师邓体顺或许不知道,当他昨天上午在上海抛出“熊市论”之时,A股正处于快速杀跌之中,收盘更是以大跌5.42%逼近3400点。

    值得注意的是,这也是本轮牛市以来首次有权威机构明确表态“牛市已经结束”,一改此前市场在牛熊转换问题上的“犹抱琵琶半遮面”。

    “熊市已定,反弹出局”

    而如果邓体顺当天稍晚些时候看到国家统计局发布的“1-2月工业利润数据”时,想必将更加坚信自己的判断。前2个月,全国规模以上工业企业利润同比仅增长16.5%,远低于去年同期的“43.8%”,这让市场瞠目结舌。

    对此,《华尔街日报》昨天发表评论称,中国企业的黄金时代可能已经过去。

    “企业盈利高速成长是本轮牛市的两大支柱之一,当盈利增长变得不可持续之后,牛市的前途自然是岌岌可危了。”花旗中国首席经济学家沈明高昨天向早报表示。

    去年11月,当上证指数还在5000点高位时,高盛就“不合时宜”地发出了刺耳声音:A股高估值已是难以为继,预计2008年总回报率将为-11.3%。

    “但现在看来,我们当时的悲观预测还不够悲观,现在A股的基本面相比去年年底更差了。”邓体顺昨天在上海向早报记者表示。

    更具冲击力的是,高盛的最新观点已确无疑地指向熊市。

    “A股很明显是熊市了。”邓体顺强调。针对中国太保(601601)、中海集运(601866)等大蓝筹纷纷跌破发行价,邓体顺昨天表示,“未来还将看到更多破发,新股不败的神话也将随之破灭”。

    “今年A股不可能再有什么大的机会,如果有反弹,我们就会减持。”邓体顺称,市场上所期待的“奥运行情”也未必会如期启动,“即使有这个行情,也不过是提供了一个反弹出局的机会”。

    而昨天的市场似乎也印证了邓体顺的观点,昨天午后A股曾出现一波反弹,上证指数被拉高近百点,深成指更是一度翻红,但随即被更为猛烈的抛盘所打压下去,跌幅更甚于反弹之前。

    对于政府的救市,邓体顺也不以为然。邓体顺表示,即使现在推出股指期货,对当前的点位也未必会起到助推效果;而下调印花税应当已在监管层的考虑之中,但“不会这么快出手”,“只有到市场极度低迷的时候才会”。邓体顺强调,下调印花税也只会触发技术性反弹,“对趋弱的基本面没有任何作用”。

    “没有太大机会了”

    面对近期的股市的大幅下跌,国内机构在“牛熊之辩”这个议题上仍然不愿明确表态。事实上,高盛正是第一家在国内公开高调宣称“熊市来了”的知名机构。

    然而,不说不代表不做。安信证券首席经济学家高善文昨天向早报记者透露,国内机构“私底下”早已开始用熊市的思路操作了,所谓熊市的操作思路是指:反弹时逢高减磅,大跌时抢反弹,“只是由于业内的‘潜规则’,没有人愿意公开承认熊市来了”。

    高善文肯定地指出,至少未来1至2个季度,市场都将持续弱市,指望在未来两个季度内重新确定强势(A股指数再创新高)是不可能的。值得注意的是,与高盛观点相似的是,高善文也认为,市场所期盼的奥运行情,即便有也仅是弱市反弹,创新高是不可能的。

    但高善文也承认,从长期来看,目前A股市场的平均动态市盈率已在合理区间。即15-20倍的动态PE。

    当昨天获悉高盛的“熊市论”,国信证券首席分析师汤小生的表态更为惊人。汤小生向早报记者反复强调,“高盛说的太晚了,A股早就已经进入熊市了。”

    汤小生称,从农历新年前沪指在5500点附近以地产指标为首的那轮杀跌开始,就可以确定牛市已经结束了,而后,当沪指有效跌破年线下方约15%,那时就已经进入熊市了。

    “目前市场和1998-1999年类似,没有太大机会了。”汤小生指出,直到2009年底,A股都将处于下降通道,但是,下降的速度会相对平稳,不会以急跌的形式。

    汤小生也很认同高盛的“反弹出局论”,认为3月-4月份,即便近期出现反弹,也仅仅是“下降通道中的阶段性反弹”。

    但牛市“卫道者”也大有人在。申万证券研究所昨天发布研究报告称,尽管一季度上市公司盈利可能低于预期、受翘尾因素影响的3月物价等都可能推动市场进一步下跌接近底部,但随着物价逐渐下降、加息预期缓解,市场在二季度有望见底回升。

    国金证券首席经济学家金岩石此前则曾对“牛熊转化”给出具体条件。金岩石称。如果A股30%的跌幅持续2个季度,则可视为熊市到来,从10月16日开始算,我们还有两个月时间来确认股市是否进入熊市。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • When two or three more analysts publicly declare a bear market for China, it will be time to do bottom fishing. Similarly, if US government data proves a recession, it will be the begiining of a new rally
      • 有道理,我看大庄们就喜欢玩这个
      • 你的话可不可以这样理解:等美国政府数据证明进入衰退了全球股市的下跌才到BOTTOM, 现在还没到BOTTOM.
        • 那得等9月份了
          • why?
            • 衰退的定义是两个季度GDP下降,现在才公布2007四季度为0.6%,那么要公布出2个季度的负数不是得等9月份了么
              • The market was trying to find a bottom in the last two weeks.
                本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛After Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley posted better-than-expected losses, financial sector had a brief rally. Some investors are seeing the end of the massive write-downs by investment banks. Still, investors were nervous. There's rumor Lehman Brothers had liquidity problems too. Here's a joke. Last week traders got a word Lehman would make a anouncement, and they traded the stock down 4%. It turned out to be a anouncement for a high-level new hiring, not a big write-down.

                Anyway, it might be safe to say financial sector is seeing a bottom if there's no next Bear. There are still many uncertainties in the overall economy. The official recession calls for two straight negative quarters of GDP growth, but the institution may not strictly follow this definition to declare a recession. Economic data were mixed at the time. GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2007 was 0.6%. Consumer spending nearly stalled in February, but personal income was unexpectedly higher. The market is closely watching out for the employment data coming in next week.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
                • The financial secter was down significanntly durng the past few days on the speculation that Lehman Brothers has liquidity problem. Now it disclosed a fraud case with a Japanese bank, which should be explained as good news
                  • Paulson is now proposing a big plan of reworking financial system, raising possibility of huge change in regulations.
                    In the long run, it may make the system healthier. In the short run, how do you think the financial sector will respond to the news? Will the plan increase investors' confidence in the sector or just add more uncertainties in the whole sector?
              • The market will not wait until September. 资本的本性决定了它必将蠢蠢欲动。
        • The market is always forward-looking. It does not really care bad things, but it does fear uncertainties. Stock prices always go before the economy.