hsl(胡司令)
不弃守个人利益只是一方面，being assertive and pushy更主要指不弃守自己的观点，并以有效的表达阐明观点，从而influence影响说服他人（“销售术”，或常说的get someone's buy-in）。
当然不是assertive的人容易被炒鱿鱼，而应该是僵硬不妥协、没有teamwork精神的人容易被炒鱿鱼。所以软技术培训（见同一链接）还包括negotiation skills, conflict resolution等。
这些技巧艺术应该都跟leadership有关（这个主要指心态和情商，而并非一定指当领导。。。这点我以前啰嗦过）。"当兵"的学习具备这个积极主动精神，对职场发展有利。。。至少更难被炒掉。
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Last Updated: 2012-1-8
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工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 职场毫无疑问需要assertiveness，这是基本常识。这不光是心态问题，更是落实在communication技巧之一。这种职场软技术培训很普遍，看链接。
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-8
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不弃守个人利益只是一方面，being assertive and pushy更主要指不弃守自己的观点，并以有效的表达阐明观点，从而influence影响说服他人（“销售术”，或常说的get someone's buy-in）。
当然不是assertive的人容易被炒鱿鱼，而应该是僵硬不妥协、没有teamwork精神的人容易被炒鱿鱼。所以软技术培训（见同一链接）还包括negotiation skills, conflict resolution等。
这些技巧艺术应该都跟leadership有关（这个主要指心态和情商，而并非一定指当领导。。。这点我以前啰嗦过）。"当兵"的学习具备这个积极主动精神，对职场发展有利。。。至少更难被炒掉。
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List on the page gives a general direction. Very useful. Thank you.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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连接里给的那些skills在职场上是很重要，这又跟情商息息相关。。。。。。这些课程是西人办的？
-fly_universe(飞越时空);
2012-1-8
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Yes, from Learning Tree. Another big training company is Global Knowledge.
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-8
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very concise yet to the point, thanks!
-oiseau(不倦鸟);
2012-1-8
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never thought of using "concise" - good adj. thanks too.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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"where where":) As a not-so-hardworking individual, being concise is one of the excuses I find for myself for not reading long mails/msgs in real life~~~
-oiseau(不倦鸟);
2012-1-8
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brief is the most common word i use. alternatively, extract.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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same here. anything longer than 1~2k bytes will be skipped by me, unless it;s about some details of a method i'm looking for.
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-8
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you still need to "skim".
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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不错不错。看看这个tips, 'how to be assertive in 8 steps'，有video，有图。
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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好，大家多讨论讨论。（你炒股？）
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-1-8
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是的。不过现在主要是做index ETF 为主。
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-1-8
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歪?
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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炒股的人不急躁，所以他们唱起歌来就不急促。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-1-8
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I meant why only index ETF?
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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不然要被炒鱿鱼。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-1-8
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I c -- the disadvantage of getting to know too much.:-)
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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Especially like this one - "Anger and belittlement are not only rude, they're completely ineffective. Do not resort to these tactics; they simply don't work.".
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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And this one - "Remember the big picture. True assertiveness, as opposed to pushiness, allows you to come away from any situation respectably. Pushy people may win battles, but only assertive people win wars. "
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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就是。尤其对咱们国移，最缺的正是assertiveness。可悲的是有些人不但没搞明白assertive的意思，连职业的基本道理都不懂，还在这里碟碟不休，误人不倦。
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-10
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而很多时候缺少assertiveness是因为语言障碍导致表达力不够，因此显得缺乏个性。
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-10
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哈哈，这就好比我们祖宗古训里提到的“匹夫之怒、匹夫之勇”，无谓而无益，甚至不能保证图一时之快，既如此，奈何为之而自损？
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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各种野路子的讨论进行的差不多了， 该这种学术性的正统理论出场的时候了。 不过呢这种东西是天生的多一些， 后天的启发起到一点辅助作用。
-walkthrough();
2012-1-8
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this is a book i have. It covers a lot of stuff. FYI.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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Who's gonna read a book just for that? And 500+ pages? No way.
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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this is part of long term improvement. people come here for immediate short term needs only? what I want, what do you want, boom, you got it 撒有那拉 forever?
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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For this kind of stuff, you just need a right mindset. Any more theory/detail is useless.
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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Yes and No, knowing more won't kill but knowing less has higher possibility.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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In this age of information overloading, some times more is less.
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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simplification 是 extraction 的结果，而不是 ignorance 的结果。～～～HEAR YA～～～说完咧～～～走鸟～～～
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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simplification 是 extraction 的结果，而不是 ignorance 的结果。 really like this one!
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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小c是PM，做事严谨。
-wincity(红卫兵);
2012-1-8
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the book actually talks about people. on preface, the author exclusively explains people is the core of PM as well as many related areas.
-c__wang(C);
2012-1-8
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我觉得另一本书可能更普适些， ' 7 Habits of Highly Effective People'。
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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Overly hyped title - could be turned into an one-pager.
-cca(不归的如来佛);
2012-1-8
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或者八个字： “己所不欲，勿施于人”。当年上完了这个培训课程，我脑子里就蹦出这八个字，公司付钱2000多美金让员工去上课，我觉得我们的传统哲学早就精确的表述了，只是没有把执行方法细化而已。
-doji(Highdraw);
2012-1-8
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这正是关键。国人更喜欢讨论哲学结论（如心态），较少探讨和落实具体执行细节。肉联也不例外（当然了很多技艺术很难用文字写出来探讨）。
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-8
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indeed a PM needs to use most of the soft skills on a daily basis.
-hsl(胡司令);
2012-1-8
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